Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!border-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Relativity and the nature of light. Waves or =?UTF-8?Q?particles=3F?= Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 11:21:17 -0700 Organization: The Starmaker Organization Lines: 65 Message-ID: <67193E9D.2F45@ix.netcom.com> References: <729c6c816b598ea72c5e917156b4e9b9@www.novabbs.com> <0aa2a5a52a8810caf17eb577da321b19@www.novabbs.com> <1e07deec8fff796c3b0205b749d4d264@www.novabbs.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 20:21:14 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e7bcb267ec270d9b37de0e8b84ac7718"; logging-data="2263295"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Wpt7Ri0N8SQ7optmbrzxIITu0itHTaFM=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:wfJWPWHD6v4hsE9wNSeFYSnNG/c= X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 241023-2, 10/23/2024), Outbound message X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:658267 Richard Hachel wrote: > > Le 22/10/2024 à 22:29, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit > : > > Richard Hachel: Re: "The two lightnings will be simultaneous for the > > station master, but ALSO for the traveler." Sound is constrained to one > > speed in the atmosphere. The person walking towards the ambulance will > > hear the siren at S + 3 mph. You are denying that. You are making an > > irrational denial of relative motion, as shown by the analogy to sound. > > You are making a mistake by equating sound and light. > They are not the same physical principle of propagation. > > Sound propagates in a medium, and depends on the quality of this medium. > > Light propagates in "nothing at all", or rather, does not propagate. > > Sound has a medium: air. > > Light has no medium, and it was a mistake to look for something that could > support its propagation. > > Light is an instantaneous transaction of energy between two atoms, so we > cannot really talk about "propagation" which requires a speed, that is to > say a ratio of distance over time. > > The question is what gives light an aspect of propagation when there is no > propagation? What gives it a wave-like appearance, when there is no wave? > What gives it the appearance of a particle when there is no particle. > > If you think about it, what the photon seems to be surfing on is not an > ether, it is not something metric, it is not something compact. > > It is simply universal enisochrony. > > In short, the photon does not exist, but seems to exist, and if we had to > propose something on which it surfs, it would be spatial anisochornia. > > In short, it surfs on time. > > By crossing space, it crosses time for the observer who studies it, and > thus gives an impression of speed, of surfing on "this time". > > But this is only an illusion. Between the two atoms, between here and > there, there is nothing at all; not the slightest existence. > > When the quantum leaves the atom, it is already instantly at the level of > an atom of the receiver. > > Niet, ether. > > R.H. Light, it's particle...existed BEFORE the big bang. The big bang gave light it's mass. Before the big bang, Light traveled without space or time...in a straight line. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.