Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: What is "local =?UTF-8?B?dGltZSI/?= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 15:51:52 -0700 Organization: The Starmaker Organization Lines: 93 Message-ID: <67104388.64D1@ix.netcom.com> References: <1aec54a219198abeee623f4762a3f105@www.novabbs.com> <17fead611f0d4f22$260472$844270$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <17febd840835ea5f$313547$853305$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> <2efd75a85dc80d75d54ecfe4d61baf34@www.novabbs.com> <17fef24802f71607$317544$826957$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <828449197c1a677b8addcf873e0753ea@www.novabbs.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2024 00:51:28 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="60d71e01f788099826aa59e16c3aeb35"; logging-data="2571710"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/4z1m8ajUD7Pz68Wqu9z+b4Ej4ETgQXJg=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:Z+f6eWv4Eo8DmWq4ZPuf12JIuFc= X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 241016-12, 10/16/2024), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:658055 gharnagel wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 13:34:57 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote: > > > > W dniu 16.10.2024 o 05:45, gharnagel pisze: > > > > > > As usual, Wozniak is conflating two different > > > concepts. > > > > As usual, Harrie spits. > > Says the congenital liar :-)) > > > And say nonsense about things he admits he > > doesn't know much about. > > which Wozniak knows nothing about, which is why > he keeps conflating two different things. > > > Well, it's not usual that he admits. > > I don't know much, but I'm always observing. > Wozniak's problem is his false belief that he > knows more while only being a poor observer. > > > > Humans try to model nature, and since, for > > > example, trees grow, die and decay, there > > > is something in nature that changes. > > > > Oh, there is a wide variety of things > > that change in nature. Time, however, > > is not any of them. There is no time > > in nature. > > Wozniak is likely to get hit by a falling > rock; that is, one that is changing its > position in space as a function of time > passing. > > > It's a purely virtual abstract invented > > by humans - for the purpose of describing. > > Describing nature and other things. > > That's only ONE definition. Wozniak is a > poor observer because he refuses to see the > other one. This one: > > "Time is what keeps everything from happening at > once" -- Ray Cummings > > This is the one as real as a punch in the face. > The punch may come from a person (who is also a > part of nature), or it may come from a falling > rock. > > > Time is almost always present in any > > description of anything. That's why > > it appears for weak minds to be something > > real. > > Wozniak has a weak mind because he can't > understand that there are two kinds of > "time": the real one in nature and our > attempts to describe it (with clocks and > coordinates). > > > > Clocks and coordinates and theories are ways > > > that we model time. But they aren't time, > > > > Clocks are clocks, theories are theories. > > Time is obviously not any of them. > > Agreed. Time is a part of nature; it's neither > clocks nor theories. > > > As for coordinates - we have created a > > number of them, and about 20-30 of them > > are times. > > Of course, DUH! > > > > just as the map is not the territory. > > Just as a clock is not time. What time do you have now? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.