Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.bofh.team!paganini.bofh.team!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Galaxies don't fly apart because their entire frame is rotating Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2024 09:49:15 -0700 Organization: To protect and to server Message-ID: <6608428B.371E@ix.netcom.com> References: <3pqdnTzZ85-dG2X4nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: paganini.bofh.team; logging-data="630899"; posting-host="nLYg9UBeoMWa070gP9wQcw.user.paganini.bofh.team"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@bofh.team"; posting-account="9dIQLXBM7WM9KzA+yjdR4A"; X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 240330-2, 03/30/2024), Outbound message X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.3 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:652554 Volney wrote: > > On 3/29/2024 3:51 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > > Am 28.03.2024 um 07:29 schrieb Volney: > >> On 3/28/2024 2:12 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > >>> Am 18.03.2024 um 19:20 schrieb Ross Finlayson: > >>>> > >>>> A hypothesis .... > >>>> > >>>> ... filling the space that is the agglomeration of what was their jet. > >>>> > >>>> So, are there gravitic singularities in the middle of galaxies? > >>>> Maybe not. > >>>> > >>>> Are there gravitic filaments holding it all together? Maybe not. > >>>> > >>> > >>> My personal view on this problem: > >>> > >>> galaxies are not held together by gravity and there is no need for > >>> gravity, because the galaxies are not rotating in their own frame of > >>> reference. > >>> > >>> It is OUR !!! impression from a remote position, that galaxies rotate. > >>> > >>> But seen from a comoving position from within that galaxy, the > >>> galaxies (of course) don't rotate. > >>> > >> Rotation is absolute. If a galaxy is rotating, that it is rotating can > >> be detected either from within or without the galaxy. > > > > 'Absolute' is a dangerous term in cosmology, because relativity says, > > that space itself is not absolute. > > > Rotation is absolute in that a rotating frame has a pseudoforce, and > Newton's Laws don't hold. This cannot be compensated by assuming the > frame is not rotating and the rest of the universe is rotating in the > opposite direction. galaxies rotate to keep other galaxies from getting too close. the universe doesn't rotate, it is Space that rotates. space is 'within' the universe. the universe created God God found himself in a Space God created the heavens and the earth 'in' that space, and God was killed in the explosion. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.