Path: csiph.com!tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 18:58:11 +0000 Message-ID: <65F9E048.14F3@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 11:58:16 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com Organization: The Starmaker Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.math Subject: Re: ? ? ? References: <1HWE6H1jV8YTvxfaaL7fnCCcpe8@jntp> <65E81EFB.3C55@ix.netcom.com> <17ba368e6628ddbc$38447$141478$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <17ba8285aef2897a$523$155296$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <17babf055ed1f074$1$167876$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> <17bb60d6786e33d8$193$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <17bc02a8a099dba1$107$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <17bc94fe2ae8ef1c$195$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <17bd7e6ae9f8f514$511$165553$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <65F74CA9.73E8@ix.netcom.com> <17bda80578ad430d$571$160734$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <65F77864.4699@ix.netcom.com> <17bdc661a2c4f7df$585$160734$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <65F84E8D.5D87@ix.netcom.com> <65F94670.36C7@ix.netcom.com> <17be298a8c1dd8d7$99557$163722$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 240319-2, 03/19/2024), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 160 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-oukUHwDjXHanvt3FIduJ3CB9OCDy2+dfx5GsJVoUsWkYm1Gs2j7tMkpitW6akupUASKAIFqeNYcACNn!zqdahPz1AJiLGijrUt7NsB8c+bPLlBr5Fg1uE1+MdUtwd9eGe04gV19eS6PAnXNdinCNX+G4KLvf!tWBc21BzJSc= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Received-Bytes: 7150 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:652229 sci.physics:885931 sci.math:626235 Maciej Wozniak wrote: > > W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze: > > The Starmaker wrote: > >> > >> Thomas Heger wrote: > >>> > >>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: > >>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze: > >>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze: > >>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze: > >>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: > >>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects > >>>>>>>>>>>>> have to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of > >>>>>>>>>>>>> time') > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable". > >>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it? > >>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone > >>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns' > >>>>>>>>>>> (of/in > >>>>>>>>>>> spacetime). > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of > >>>>>>>>>>> atoms. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would > >>>>>>>>>>> alllow a > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us? > >>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here? > >>>>>>>>> ?? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or > >>>>>>>>>> are they something else? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times? > >>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows. > >>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they > >>>>>> times? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my > >>>>>>> shadows!" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!" > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices. > >>>>> > >>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones. > >>>>> > >>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> it's shadows all the way down. > >>>> > >>>> And - are zone times times or are they > >>>> something else? > >>>> > >>> > >>> All time measures are intervals. > >>> > >>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between > >>> that event and some other event. > >>> > >>> This measure is often called 'time'. > >>> > >>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is > >>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'. > >>> > >>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally > >>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'. > >>> > >>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not > >>> born 24 times on a single day. > >>> > >>> TH > >> > >> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and > >> measure the movement of the shadow. > >> > >> This measure you often called 'time'. > >> > >> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now, > >> shadow or no shadow. > >> > >> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys > >> doing, it's just a shadow?!" > >> > >> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials." > >> > > > > > > In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical > > shadow. > > And? > Are zone times times or are they > something else? 12X X = times 12 times. How many times are you going to ask dis question???? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.