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Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> 
> W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> >>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
> >>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
> >>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
> >>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> >>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> time')
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
> >>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
> >>>>>>>>>>> (of/in
> >>>>>>>>>>> spacetime).
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
> >>>>>>>>>>> atoms.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
> >>>>>>>>>>> alllow a
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
> >>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept  here?
> >>>>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
> >>>>>>>>>> are they something else?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
> >>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
> >>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
> >>>>>> times?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
> >>>>>>> shadows!"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> it's shadows all the way down.
> >>>>
> >>>> And - are zone times times or are they
> >>>> something else?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> All time measures are intervals.
> >>>
> >>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
> >>> that event and some other event.
> >>>
> >>> This measure is often called 'time'.
> >>>
> >>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
> >>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
> >>>
> >>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
> >>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.
> >>>
> >>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
> >>> born 24 times on a single day.
> >>>
> >>> TH
> >>
> >> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and
> >> measure the movement of the shadow.
> >>
> >> This measure you often called 'time'.
> >>
> >> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now,
> >> shadow or no shadow.
> >>
> >> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys
> >> doing, it's just a shadow?!"
> >>
> >> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials."
> >>
> >
> >
> > In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical
> > shadow.
> 
> And?
> Are zone times times or are they
> something else?



12X

X = times

12 times.

How many times are you going to ask dis question????








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                Re: ? ? ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2024-03-28 04:35 +0000
                Re: ? ? ? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-27 21:49 -0700
                Getting there at last... Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2024-03-26 23:49 +0000
                Re: Getting there at last... Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-03-28 07:14 +0100
                Re: Getting there at last... Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2024-03-28 07:09 +0000
                Re: Getting there at last... Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-03-30 08:54 +0100
                Re: Getting there at last... Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2024-03-30 10:38 +0000
                Re: Getting there at last... Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-04-02 07:56 +0200
                Re: Getting there at last... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-02 00:07 -0700
                Re: Getting there at last... Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-04-03 08:03 +0200
                Re: Getting there at last... Yusney Turaev Momotov <tnoyn@ou.ru> - 2024-04-03 06:53 +0000
                Re: Getting there at last... Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2024-04-04 02:18 +0000
                Re: Getting there at last... Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-04-05 09:54 +0200
                Re: Getting there at last... Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2024-04-06 00:07 +0000
                Re: Getting there at last... Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2024-04-02 07:38 +0000
                Re: Getting there at last... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-02 10:23 -0700
                Re: Getting there at last... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-04-02 11:31 -0700
                Re: Getting there at last... Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2024-04-03 00:16 +0000
                Re: Getting there at last... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-03 00:38 -0700
                Re: Getting there at last... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-03 01:02 -0700
                Re: Getting there at last... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-03 22:58 -0700
                Re: Getting there at last... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-04 11:11 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? Yatzyk Trampotova <ezyey@kynyrt.ru> - 2024-03-23 17:39 +0000
                Re: ? ? ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-03-25 08:06 +0100
                Re: ? ? ? Evasio Alexandropoulos <ouep@seood.gr> - 2024-03-25 17:48 +0000
                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-03-26 22:30 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-03-27 16:31 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-03-27 17:26 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-03-29 17:05 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-03-31 12:27 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-03-31 14:46 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-01 10:15 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-01 21:36 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-02 00:15 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-02 09:52 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2024-04-02 10:16 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-02 12:26 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2024-04-02 12:48 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-03 23:03 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2024-04-04 05:57 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-04 09:00 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2024-04-04 10:45 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? Colin Mcdonald <mna@aincmic.uk> - 2024-04-04 22:59 +0000
                Re: ? ? ? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2024-04-04 16:20 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-05 00:45 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-05 01:20 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2024-04-05 06:24 -0700
                Re: ? ? ? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-02-26 13:36 +0100
                Re: ? ? ? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2024-02-27 09:27 -0500
              Re: ? ? ? Maria Komáromi Forgács <vcro@fmma.hu> - 2024-02-25 17:10 +0000
                Re: ? ? ? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-02-25 15:47 -0600
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                Re: ? ? ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-02-25 15:50 -0800
        Re: ? ? ? Richard Hachel <pourquoi-pas@tiscali.fr> - 2024-02-24 12:59 +0000

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