Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!paganini.bofh.team!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.math Subject: Re: ? ? ? Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2024 00:00:50 -0800 Organization: To protect and to server Message-ID: <65E822B2.2496@ix.netcom.com> References: <1HWE6H1jV8YTvxfaaL7fnCCcpe8@jntp> <17ba17198d38202d$39429$138080$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <65E8186D.2220@ix.netcom.com> <65E81BB3.3B9B@ix.netcom.com> <65E81EFB.3C55@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: paganini.bofh.team; logging-data="1943345"; posting-host="nLYg9UBeoMWa070gP9wQcw.user.paganini.bofh.team"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@bofh.team"; posting-account="9dIQLXBM7WM9KzA+yjdR4A"; Cancel-Lock: sha256:cFKKyHEx/YH8EZLffLqtCsoAsdtt6Mtbhk05+lS5xcM= X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 240305-2, 03/05/2024), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.3 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:651898 sci.physics:885623 sci.math:625869 The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote: > > > > > > > > W dniu 05.03.2024 o 21:26, Thomas Heger pisze: > > > > > Am 29.02.2024 um 17:54 schrieb ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog: > > > > >> Thomas Heger wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> The concept of time is actually based on counting events, about which > > > > >>> we assume, they would occur always with the same frequency. > > > > >> > > > > >>> That was the year or the day in ancient times and later the hour and > > > > >>> the second. > > > > >> > > > > >>> Much later men counted the waves in certain kinds of exitations of > > > > >>> certain atoms. > > > > >> > > > > >>> But in all cases a process of counting was meant, where the underlying > > > > >>> frequency was assumed to be universally constant. > > > > >> > > > > >>> But: that is problematic, because actually we don't know, whether > > > > >>> these frequencies are universally constant or not. > > > > >> > > > > >>> This is so, because the second is defined and measured by the same > > > > >>> process, which frequency we like to measure. > > > > >> > > > > >> This all comes down to the age-old question that has been repeatedly > > > > >> debated on these forums: What is a clock? > > > > > > > > > > A clock is an artifact (and does not show time). > > > > > > > > > > Clocks show a measure, which we humans interpret as date, hours, minutes > > > > > and seconds. > > > > > > > > > > But that's not time neither (it's a measure). > > > > > > > > Wrong. Yes, that's - exactly - time. Why not, > > > > doesn't match your mystical delusions? It's not > > > > obligged to. > > > > > > if one clock is running slow, > > > and the other clock fast... > > > which one is the real time? > > > > > > answer: neither one. > > > > > > even a sundial does not have the real time... > > > > > > yous people let clocks > > > run your life and yous don't even know > > > that the real time is? > > > > > > oh, i'm late...i gotta go. > > > > > > is 't' a number? > > > > > > numbers don't exist. > > > > > > > i got a good idea.. > > throw away all > > your clocks. > > > > No more time. > > > > if you see the sun > > moving around... > > that is all > > it is doing...moving > > around. > > What time is it ...now? > > It's always Now. > > If a clock moves one second > it tells you the time now.. > > next second > it tells you the time now.. > > next second > it tells you the time now.. > > next second > it tells you the time now.. > > it's always...Now. > > What time is it ...now? > > it's always...Now. > > What now is it? > > the second before is not now, > it's in the past..it doesn't exist. > > How do you measure a second before? I just took the battery out of the clock. Time has stopped. No more time. I don't know what time it is ...Now. wait a minute...isn't always Now???? i don't need a clock to tell me what time it is now, it's always now! i need to put the battery back in so i'll know what time it is...now. okay, i know what time it is now. it's 12 O'clock now. i got the real time.. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.