Path: csiph.com!aioe.org!/cd6lVY8Z/mQ7QUEKAKGKw.user.46.165.242.75.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Philosophy and physics Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2022 20:20:12 -0800 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <6221937C.3BA9@ix.netcom.com> References: <39e08093-303d-4b1a-b6a6-7ffee3b7a58cn@googlegroups.com> <621C6DD6.4FA9@ix.netcom.com>

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<4d17457e-63a4-4712-8225-902314b5f89en@googlegroups.com> <03b84cd7-ec6d-4705-a502-86c9da156849n@googlegroups.com> <6220413B.6028@ix.netcom.com> <62207290.6A99@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: gioia.aioe.org; logging-data="29079"; posting-host="/cd6lVY8Z/mQ7QUEKAKGKw.user.gioia.aioe.org"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@aioe.org"; X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2 X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 220303-8, 03/03/2022), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:579397 The Starmaker wrote: > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN. > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP. > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP. > > > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP), > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server. > > > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your > > > > packets through the Internet. > > > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses. > > > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address. > > > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted. > > > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same. > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.), > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day. > > > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list. > > > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin, > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address. > > > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible. > > > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching > > > > on their database of articles (or posts). > > > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US, > > > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide. > > > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you. > > > Do you know How to do a UDP? > > > -- > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > and challenge > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required. > > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it: > > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol > > I meant this UDP... > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know how to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you ever used one? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.