Path: csiph.com!xmission!news.snarked.org!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 12:26:52 -0500 Message-ID: <60FD9EEF.1074@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 10:27:11 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: How many planets are there? References: <60F3C55A.5AA9@ix.netcom.com> <60F3D9BA.6C34@ix.netcom.com> <60F751B2.285A@ix.netcom.com> <60F8533B.3B4B@ix.netcom.com> <04eadbae-3b11-442d-9f23-ddaeaea44a5dn@googlegroups.com> <60F88DD6.76F9@ix.netcom.com> <60c0fc09-42b0-497e-a122-890b2cc2c763n@googlegroups.com> <60F9091F.5A8A@ix.netcom.com> <60F90DF8.3AA6@ix.netcom.com> <60F911EF.1FB6@ix.netcom.com> <60F9D764.2929@ix.netcom.com> <60FA5E71.1EAD@ix.netcom.com> <44f60f6b-27d7-4940-908e-62abbda8d747n@googlegroups.com> <60FAE39A.1FA3@ix.netcom.com> <31dc725e-9897-4d1e-8694-fe6c53b8736an@googlegroups.com> <60FB2474.6338@ix.netcom.com> <621ca8c4-74f6-4d0a-8f11-0617903ac2a3n@googlegroups.com> <60FB4989.14C8@ix.netcom.com> <60FB8DFD.79EE@ix.netcom.com> <48d00a55-2d97-47e2-994b-c641025dc959n@googlegroups.com> <60FCC84A.4FC4@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 210725-4, 07/25/2021), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 69 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-BybE9r+ipW1UWGa1EgYnqhjMyFxFifwqR3wjs0fGpIRw1fgqqXWNuQf70R/jQ2Kp+hZB6xWJxYDsEc7!roECcZfpuyjailo5TpC7Coj+sEdMtwGsgaydjJ62ox5i7F7w70jnw1FykO0r1MAmaOyJbFK6h/pB!EfWh7XdIHPY= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5411 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:828800 sci.physics.relativity:558674 The Starmaker wrote: > > Paul Alsing wrote: > > > > On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 8:49:49 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > I've been using the lowercase n, and you were using the uppercase N . > > > > That's absurd. There is only 1 "N" or "n" in the equation, take your choice, and it represents the answer. Are you sure you haven't been drinking? > > > > > The Drake equation defines a “civilization” as a species possessing radiotelescopes. By this definition, civilization did not appear on Earth until the 1930s. > > > > Here is what the original paper s ays about "L"... > > > > "The communicative lifetime L > > Our last factor is the duration during which a communicative civilization would communicate. This is affected by a number of things. It could be that aggression is an inevitable > > trait and that it just as inevitably leads to destruction that, if not total, severely limits the > > time that civilizations can let their existence be known. It could be that even for stable > > advanced civilizations they don’t talk much; for example, note that cable television does not > > broadcast signals into space, whereas ordinary TV does. On the other hand, perhaps most > > advanced species have very extended lifetimes, and that they communicate actively all the > > while. > > With all this in mind, and given that we have had this capability for around 50 years, I > > could imagine L being anywhere from decades to billions of years. What is your best guess?" > > > > So, it does not mention "radio telescopes" at all, you just made that up. You are guilty of splitting hairs. It does not really matter how you want to define "civilization", use whatever definition you like. It makes no difference whatsoever. It is just a guess or > estimate in any case. The Drake Equation is just a fun exercise, not a life-or-death combat, and all the 'rules' are loosey-goosey and your guess is not particularly important at all, you will still get an answer, and it will not b > > You have a pattern, Everytime you show you don't know somehing you > believe people are making it up. > > > > > > > the e next to the n stands for earth. > > > > No, the ne term means "habitable planets that are Earth-like". Again, you should read the original Drake Equation paper which I referenced earlier. > > e is a postcript. > > > > > > > > > So, which number did Drake picked? 0, 1, 2, or 3 ? > > > > You sure are dense. N or n (take your pick) stands for the answer... and zero is not a valid guess in any case. If you think differently, please provide a reference. > > I gave you a multible choice of four, 0, 1, 2, or 3 ? and you're working > your way up from....zero???? You're getting warm...try again! > > There are children that know the answer to this question...did you left > back in the second grade??? Okay, I'll try to make it easier for you...( i barely made it past the second grade also...) How many "habitable planets that are Earth-like" in our solar system? multible choice 0, 1, 2, or 3? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge the unchallengeable.