Re: How many unnatural numbers are created?

From	Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
Newsgroups	sci.math
Subject	Re: How many unnatural numbers are created?
Date	2024-04-16 15:13 +0300
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Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> writes:
> Am 01.04.2024 um 19:35 schrieb FromTheRafters:
>> WM expressed precisely :
>
>>> these numbers ω+2, ω+4, ω+6, ..., are no natural numbers. What is going on?
>>
>> They are the second, fourth, and sixth transfinite ordinals.
>
> Not quite. I mean, usually we would say
>
> | ω is the first, ω+1 is the second, ω+2 is the third ... transfinite
> ordinal
>
> Of course, using the ordinals themselves you might state
>
> | ω is the 0-th, ω+1 is the 1-th, ω+2 is the 2-th ... transfinite ordinal
>
> On the other hand: "Did he win the 0-th prize?" Who would say that?

WM always wins 0-th prize.

Phil
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How many unnatural numbers are created? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-03-31 12:22 +0000
  Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-31 09:26 -0400
    Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-04-01 15:14 +0000
      Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-04-01 13:35 -0400
        Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2024-04-03 20:03 +0200
          Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2024-04-16 15:13 +0300
      Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2024-04-01 19:48 +0200
        Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-04-02 07:23 +0000
          Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2024-04-03 13:00 +0200
            Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-04-03 13:37 +0000
              Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2024-04-03 19:46 +0200
                Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-04-04 09:35 +0000
                Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2024-04-05 02:47 +0200
                Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-04-05 08:46 +0000
                Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2024-04-05 12:39 +0200
                Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-04-05 11:07 +0000
                Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2024-04-05 13:15 +0200
                Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Tom Bola <Tom@bolamail.etc> - 2024-04-05 13:09 +0200
                Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2024-04-05 13:17 +0200
                Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Tom Bola <Tom@bolamail.etc> - 2024-04-05 13:21 +0200
                Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-04-05 09:09 -0400
                Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Tom Bola <Tom@bolamail.etc> - 2024-04-05 13:03 +0200
                Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2024-04-05 13:14 +0200
                Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-04-06 13:18 +0000
  Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2024-03-31 16:06 +0200
    Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Tom Bola <Tom@bolamail.etc> - 2024-03-31 17:12 +0200
      Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2024-03-31 17:16 +0200
        Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Tom Bola <Tom@bolamail.etc> - 2024-03-31 17:20 +0200
    Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-04-01 15:27 +0000
      Re: How many unnatural numbers are created? Moebius <moebius@example.invalid> - 2024-04-01 19:36 +0200

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