Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!paganini.bofh.team!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.math Subject: Re: ? ? ? Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2024 23:30:59 -0800 Organization: To protect and to server Message-ID: <65E81BB3.3B9B@ix.netcom.com> References: <1HWE6H1jV8YTvxfaaL7fnCCcpe8@jntp> <17ba17198d38202d$39429$138080$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> <65E8186D.2220@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: paganini.bofh.team; logging-data="1942131"; posting-host="nLYg9UBeoMWa070gP9wQcw.user.paganini.bofh.team"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@bofh.team"; posting-account="9dIQLXBM7WM9KzA+yjdR4A"; Cancel-Lock: sha256:VzqsbB9TviZxXpDO5dIC4IFoLAhGPTPbpvqK29APZGM= X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.3 X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 240305-2, 03/05/2024), Outbound message X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:651896 sci.physics:885621 sci.math:625867 The Starmaker wrote: > > =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote: > > > > W dniu 05.03.2024 o 21:26, Thomas Heger pisze: > > > Am 29.02.2024 um 17:54 schrieb ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog: > > >> Thomas Heger wrote: > > >> > > >>> The concept of time is actually based on counting events, about which > > >>> we assume, they would occur always with the same frequency. > > >> > > >>> That was the year or the day in ancient times and later the hour and > > >>> the second. > > >> > > >>> Much later men counted the waves in certain kinds of exitations of > > >>> certain atoms. > > >> > > >>> But in all cases a process of counting was meant, where the underlying > > >>> frequency was assumed to be universally constant. > > >> > > >>> But: that is problematic, because actually we don't know, whether > > >>> these frequencies are universally constant or not. > > >> > > >>> This is so, because the second is defined and measured by the same > > >>> process, which frequency we like to measure. > > >> > > >> This all comes down to the age-old question that has been repeatedly > > >> debated on these forums: What is a clock? > > > > > > A clock is an artifact (and does not show time). > > > > > > Clocks show a measure, which we humans interpret as date, hours, minutes > > > and seconds. > > > > > > But that's not time neither (it's a measure). > > > > Wrong. Yes, that's - exactly - time. Why not, > > doesn't match your mystical delusions? It's not > > obligged to. > > if one clock is running slow, > and the other clock fast... > which one is the real time? > > answer: neither one. > > even a sundial does not have the real time... > > yous people let clocks > run your life and yous don't even know > that the real time is? > > oh, i'm late...i gotta go. > > is 't' a number? > > numbers don't exist. > i got a good idea.. throw away all your clocks. No more time. if you see the sun moving around... that is all it is doing...moving around. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.