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From: Jeffrey Rubard Injection-Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2023 21:37:53 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 10731 Xref: csiph.com sci.logic:255134 On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:39:33=E2=80=AFAM UTC-7, Ross Finlayson wrote: > On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 11:20:58=E2=80=AFAM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrot= e:=20 > > On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 10:42:53=E2=80=AFAM UTC-7, Ross Finlayson wr= ote:=20 > > > On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 6:46:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC-7, Ross Finlayson = wrote:=20 > > > > On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 2:33:14=E2=80=AFPM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubar= d wrote:=20 > > > > > On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 2:31:35=E2=80=AFPM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rub= ard wrote:=20 > > > > > > On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 2:27:56=E2=80=AFPM UTC-7, Ross Finl= ayson wrote:=20 > > > > > > > On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 1:31:40=E2=80=AFPM UTC-7, Jeffrey= Rubard wrote:=20 > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 1:30:52=E2=80=AFPM UTC-7, Jeffr= ey Rubard wrote:=20 > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 9:37:43=E2=80=AFAM UTC-7, Ros= s Finlayson wrote:=20 > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 9:07:15=E2=80=AFAM UTC-7, J= effrey Rubard wrote:=20 > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 9:00:05=E2=80=AFAM UTC-7,= Ross Finlayson wrote:=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 8:31:45=E2=80=AFAM UTC-= 7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 3:34:51=E2=80=AFPM UT= C-7, Mild Shock wrote:=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I doubt you will write Shakespeare once via= your nonsense:=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > "More Republican brain-rot. Just go to your neuro= logist and keep your hands off strangers, okay?"=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, if we're touching, we're not strangers anymore= .=20 > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > "You mean you criminally pursued someone, then 'feign= ed' you were friends?"=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean reach out and punch someone?=20 > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > "Not based on 'blood libels', no. It's traditional ad= vice, really."=20 > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > Me thinks thouest stinks.=20 > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you think the Boston Marathon bomber looked like = that guy in the news 'SBF', too?"=20 > > > > > > > > > > It seems a waste of ink -=20 > > > > > > > > > > in the sands of time it will sink.=20 > > > > > > > > > > I don't know your kink -=20 > > > > > > > > > > it just seems a fink.=20 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > Now whether Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare=20 > > > > > > > > > > or it was sometimes Francis Bacon,=20 > > > > > > > > > > most anything one need hear,=20 > > > > > > > > > > it was Roger that was making.=20 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > "Maybe stay in your depth, dude."=20 > > > > > > > > For the Audience: With respect to Shakespeare, "...or maybe= it was Roger Bacon" conventionally "indicates" they are lying about=20 > > > > > > > > publication details.=20 > > > > > > > No, the point is that Roger Bacon and Francis Bacon are two d= ifferent=20 > > > > > > > people, and that Roger had a lot already going on, and that s= ometimes=20 > > > > > > > the authorship of Shakespeare's works is questioned, about Fr= ancis.=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > It's "famously" tantamount to an acknowledgment you're engaging= in "publishing libel".=20 > > > > > > Your stupider-than-average version of it doesn't "improve the l= ooking", either.=20 > > > > > Meanwhile: Yeah, people, I still "wrote all the words I wrote".= =20 > > > > > "So? Why should we believe you?"=20 > > > > > Because my photograph is on the book as the "author's photograph"= ?=20 > > > > > "Hmm. Plausible, actually. But don't quote me on that."=20 > > > > > The Scammers: "NOOOOOOOO!"=20 > > > > > The Knowledgeable: "Yeah, that's what that is. But you know what?= You wouldn't want to live like him, etc."=20 > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baconian_theory_of_Shakespeare_author= ship=20 > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_authorship_question=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Hmm, doesn't mention libel, or slander, maybe you should add it to = the Wiki.=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > So, it's not so unbelievable that Francis Bacon and William Shakesp= eare,=20 > > > > shared a printer, where Shakespeare was a well-known rude carouser,= =20 > > > > and Bacon one of the most reknowned heads, of the time.=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > "Much of the learning with which he has been credited=20 > > > > and the omnivorous reading imputed to Shakespeare=20 > > > > by critics in later years is exaggerated, and he may well=20 > > > > have absorbed much learning from conversations."=20 > > "Actually smart", so of course you don't know that. (Like in 80s movies= , people.)=20 > > It was once thought an actually plausible hypothesis that Francis Bacon= had written=20 > > the works of Shakespeare, based on the high esteem Bacon's natural phil= osophy=20 > > was held in. But... and this is a very interesting point... Bacon was i= ndeed a=20 > > Viscount, and the language of Shakespeare is really -- no, it is -- ple= beian, as=20 > > this passage suggests. (So no, he wasn't Edward de Vere either.)=20 > >=20 > > Otherwise, "About Shakespeare..." telegraphs your IP fraud goals IRL.= =20 > > Maybe 'change the approach' next time.=20 > > > Yeah, reading this Cohen's book on Victorian mathematics, it has long= sections=20 > > > on Boole and De Morgan and their surrounds, for example De Morgan's a= nticipation=20 > > > of word frequency analysis, in terms of authors and their apocryphal = output.=20 > > Any mention of the similar works of "Joseph Carroll"? > They were kind of set against Comte, ....=20 >=20 Oh, the "select tid-bit". It's no "super-secret" than when you are musing in your stupid fashion abou= t Shakespeare, you are trying to screw an author out of recognition. It's "conventional wi= sdom" of the issue. >=20 > There's talk about Spinoza, but just like Roger was way before Francis,= =20 > Bacon, there was old Spinoza and his integer continuum, hundreds=20 > of years different. Baruch Spinoza did not write the works of Shakespeare. (Gosh, that sounds a little anti-Semitic, sorry.)