Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Thomas Heger Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: energy and mass Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2026 09:25:51 +0100 Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <10orpc4$13e80$1@dont-email.me> <1rrwmiq.1wswrxu1eydtaN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <10p42s3$a44n$10@dont-email.me> <10pbhp2$2tdk0$1@dont-email.me> <10pgsad$mp47$2@dont-email.me> <2maqrkdah2i7c7phmlikom206f0162salb@4ax.com> <10q0dj5$1r9os$2@dont-email.me> <10q3hsg$2t677$3@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net 5RTVMY5Z7kBSl1rkh4qQ9gKtaDKi/TpssxEEaCgLMkQChlbT3S Cancel-Lock: sha1:MeuJpKLM/ApFFyDzRvO5oiSGz8k= sha256:qKoImJWGqMb+IxPKcUV8FevVp5gx+FV/AfWGjwYdspE= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: de-DE In-Reply-To: <10q3hsg$2t677$3@dont-email.me> Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:670515 sci.electronics.design:742346 Am Donnerstag000026, 26.03.2026 um 16:03 schrieb Bill Sloman: ... >>>> Only a small part of engineering is dealing with electronics. >>>> >>>> Engineers exist in several 'flavors', which range from building >>>> bridges to chemistry. >>>> ... >>> >>> And you don't know much about any of them. >>> >> >> Sure, I have never build a bridge. >> >> But I know a few things about electronics and chemistry. >> >> My specific 'flavour' is called 'economics engineering'. >> >> It is kind of mixture of economics and building machines. >> >> That is quite difficult and not a very common topic in other countries. >> >> (It's among the 'crown jewels' of German education.) > > My wife was a director of a Max Planck Institute. I do know a bit about > German education, and value engineering isn't one of it's crown jewels. > > If you want to build a machine more cheaply, you don't study it's > economics, you study what it does and work out a way to do that > differently with a different, cheaper and faster machine. > > I'm aware that Fraunhofer Institutes tend to be more applied than Max > Planck Institutes, but I doubt that you work for any of them either. > 'Wirtschaftsingenuerswesen' is called 'Engineering managment' in English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_management It's quite a difficult topic, at least in Germany, because you need to learn both 'engineering' and 'ecomomics'. The title I actually have is 'Dipl.-Ing.' and in English called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Engineering_Management Btw: I have spent actually some time in the 'Fraunhofer Institute' of Berlin Charlottenburg and wrote my Diploma thesis for Prof. Spur. The rather strange thing was, that I have never seen Prof. Spur personally (not a single time!). TH