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From: "Don" <g@crcomp.net>
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Subject: Re: energy and mass
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Ross Finlayson wrote:
> Don wrote:
>> Followup-To: sci.physics.relativity,sci.electronics.design restored.
>>
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Don wrote:
>>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>> Don wrote:
>>>>>> My understanding of time begins with MAN AND TIME by Priestley. Although
>>>>>> it's intellectually imprudent to excerpt a single sentence to summarize
>>>>>> his survey:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      "One metaphysical idea of Time: We do not discover Time but
>>>>>>      bring it with us; it is one of our contributions to the
>>>>>>      scene; our minds work that way."
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> Prove Priestley wrong.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Your rhetorical arguments are above average, almost awesome!
>>
>> Drop your ad hominem attacks and prove Priestley wrong. Use your best
>> rhetoric to define Time in your own words.
>
> That's getting philosophical, some physicsts have that
> their philosophy is that they're deaf-mute about philosophy,
> and we are too.
>
> Philosophers of physics philosophy of physics isn't that, though.
>
>
> A usual idea distinguishing philosophy and science is that
> science starts with a theory and philosophy ends with one.

Let's try it this way. The United States Air Force Office of Scientific
Research paid for a meeting recorded as THE NATURE OF TIME by Gold. Its
preface says:

    It is an embarrassment for a scientist who has concerned
    himself with the basic nature of physical laws to have
    to admit that the coordinate system in which the laws
    are embedded is itself quite mysterious. Lack of 
    understanding is not the only difficulty; many other
    areas of physical science are not well understood. But
    in this case the problem is so fundamental that no
    thoughtful scientist can claim to have given it no
    consideration. Most believe that they have gained some
    basic understanding and are then distressed to find a
    divergence from the views of their colleagues. 
    Introspective understanding of the flow of time is basic
    to all physics, and yet it is not clear how this idea of
    time is derived or what status it ought to have in the
    description of the physical world.
    
Feynman participated in the meeting. The lack of an objective definition
of Time embarrassed him. Gold's publication of THE NATURE OF TIME upset
Feynman. Feynman wanted to protect his public image. It's an open secret
that Gold uses Mr. X as a pseudonym for Feynman in the book.
    As stated in my original followup "everybody knows what time is
until they try to define it." If Time itself is metaphysical, then all
of the physics that use Time are also metaphysical.
    This thread itself stands as testimony to the embarrassed emotional 
urge to "kill the messenger."

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