Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pierre-Elliott_B=E9cue?= Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: I've been removed from the Python team Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 00:50:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: Ian Cordasco X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Wed Sep 30 22:44:08 2015 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, FOURLA=0.1, GMAIL=1, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -6.1 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12699 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/4F369294-A8DD-44CB-993A-1C70D5D7B0C9@crans.org Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 67 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Cc: debian-python X-Original-Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 00:43:09 +0200 X-Original-Message-ID: <4F369294-A8DD-44CB-993A-1C70D5D7B0C9@crans.org> X-Original-References: <560C3ACD.9000905@debian.org> <20150930211326.GC4806@p1otr.com> <20150930220414.GO7828@crans.org> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:7387 Le 1 octobre 2015 00:25:55 GMT+02:00, Ian Cordasco a écrit : >On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Pierre-Elliott Bécue >wrote: >> On mer. 30 sept. 2015 à 23:13:26, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >>> [Thomas Goirand, 2015-09-30] >>> > Piotr decided to remove me from the Python team. >>> >>> DPMT and PAPT to be precise, yes >>> >>> > is an over reaction and that it should be reverted. >>> >>> I talked with you many times in private about your involvement in >the >>> teams over last ~3 years and since I kind of forced other admins >into >>> accepting you, I also take all the blame for removing you. >>> As I said in the private mail earlier today, if you still want to >work >>> with me, I'm happy to review / sponsor your commits in DPMT or help >with >>> any problems you might have with tools I wrote. >> >> Dear Piotr, >> >> Even if I'm not in the team and thus I do not decide of anything, I >> wonder if that's an appropriate answer, regarding the initial >trouble. >> >> We are currently talking about preventing Thomas to maintain his >> packages that has DPMT as maintainer, because he uploaded something >in >> experimental, which is neither a release, nor a distro of any kind. >> >> Considering the potential trouble it'll lead to (as for an example >it'll >> probably send my attempt to package mailman3 to nowhere), and the >> potential bad consequences for python team (some packages no longer >> maintained, etc), does it worth it? >> >> -- >> PEB > >Pierre, > >I'm new to the team, mailing list, etc. (honestly, I never had a >chance to formally introduce myself to everyone) but it looks as if >Piotr has had several instances in the past where he's had to >discipline Thomas. I doubt this is an action that Piotr took lightly. >Further, I doubt those packages will suddenly go unmaintained. > >Please continue working on mailman3, it will benefit the community far >more than the outcome of this apparent disciplinary action. > >Cheers, >Ian Dear Ian, I do not intend to stop working on it, but even if it is not the first time (I hope no one would take such an action for one isolated mistake), I strongly beleive that such removal from a team where mostly anyone is supposed to be at a same level should be calmly discussed and debated with mostly everybody of the team in order to reach a consensus. This decision looks like something decided just after an aggressive discussion about something which does not look that bad from where I sit. Wouldn't taking some time to think before this removal had been a better idea for everybody? Peace, love and cheers. -- PEB