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Re: I've been removed from the Python team

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Le 1 octobre 2015 00:25:55 GMT+02:00, Ian Cordasco <graffatcolmingov@gmail.com> a écrit :
>On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Pierre-Elliott Bécue <becue@crans.org>
>wrote:
>> On mer. 30 sept. 2015 à 23:13:26, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
>>> [Thomas Goirand, 2015-09-30]
>>> > Piotr decided to remove me from the Python team.
>>>
>>> DPMT and PAPT to be precise, yes
>>>
>>> > is an over reaction and that it should be reverted.
>>>
>>> I talked with you many times in private about your involvement in
>the
>>> teams over last ~3 years and since I kind of forced other admins
>into
>>> accepting you, I also take all the blame for removing you.
>>> As I said in the private mail earlier today, if you still want to
>work
>>> with me, I'm happy to review / sponsor your commits in DPMT or help
>with
>>> any problems you might have with tools I wrote.
>>
>> Dear Piotr,
>>
>> Even if I'm not in the team and thus I do not decide of anything, I
>> wonder if that's an appropriate answer, regarding the initial
>trouble.
>>
>> We are currently talking about preventing Thomas to maintain his
>> packages that has DPMT as maintainer, because he uploaded something
>in
>> experimental, which is neither a release, nor a distro of any kind.
>>
>> Considering the potential trouble it'll lead to (as for an example
>it'll
>> probably send my attempt to package mailman3 to nowhere), and the
>> potential bad consequences for python team (some packages no longer
>> maintained, etc), does it worth it?
>>
>> --
>> PEB
>
>Pierre,
>
>I'm new to the team, mailing list, etc. (honestly, I never had a
>chance to formally introduce myself to everyone) but it looks as if
>Piotr has had several instances in the past where he's had to
>discipline Thomas. I doubt this is an action that Piotr took lightly.
>Further, I doubt those packages will suddenly go unmaintained.
>
>Please continue working on mailman3, it will benefit the community far
>more than the outcome of this apparent disciplinary action.
>
>Cheers,
>Ian

Dear Ian,

I do not intend to stop working on it, but even if it is not the first time (I hope no one would take such an action for one isolated mistake), I strongly beleive that such removal from a team where mostly anyone is supposed to be at a same level should be calmly discussed and debated with mostly everybody of the team in order to reach a consensus.

This decision looks like something decided just after an aggressive discussion about something which does not look that bad from where I sit.

Wouldn't taking some time to think before this removal had been a better idea for everybody?

Peace, love and cheers.
-- 
PEB

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I've been removed from the Python team Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2015-09-30 21:50 +0200
  Re: I've been removed from the Python team Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> - 2015-09-30 21:50 +0200
    Re: I've been removed from the Python team Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2015-09-30 22:40 +0200
  Re: I've been removed from the Python team Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-09-30 23:20 +0200
    Re: I've been removed from the Python team Pierre-Elliott Bécue <becue@crans.org> - 2015-10-01 00:10 +0200
      Re: I've been removed from the Python team Pierre-Elliott Bécue <becue@crans.org> - 2015-10-01 00:50 +0200
        Re: I've been removed from the Python team Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2015-10-01 01:10 +0200
      Re: I've been removed from the Python team Ian Cordasco <graffatcolmingov@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 00:50 +0200
      Re: I've been removed from the Python team Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2015-10-01 01:20 +0200
      Re: I've been removed from the Python team Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-01 08:20 +0200
        Re: I've been removed from the Python team Pierre-Elliott Bécue <becue@crans.org> - 2015-10-01 14:10 +0200
  Re: I've been removed from the Python team Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2015-10-01 19:50 +0200
    Re: I've been removed from the Python team Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-01 20:20 +0200
      Re: I've been removed from the Python team Sandro Tosi <morph@debian.org> - 2015-10-01 20:40 +0200
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        Re: admins elections Dimitri John Ledkov <xnox@debian.org> - 2015-10-01 23:50 +0200
      Re: I've been removed from the Python team Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2015-10-02 00:50 +0200
        Re: I've been removed from the Python team Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2015-10-02 10:20 +0200
          Re: I've been removed from the Python team Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2015-10-02 14:50 +0200
            Re: I've been removed from the Python team Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-02 14:50 +0200
        Re: I've been removed from the Python team Pierre-Elliott Bécue <becue@crans.org> - 2015-10-03 15:40 +0200
          Re: I've been removed from the Python team Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-03 16:20 +0200
            Re: I've been removed from the Python team Pierre-Elliott Bécue <becue@crans.org> - 2015-10-03 16:50 +0200

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