Path: csiph.com!goblin2!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news2.arglkargh.de!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.CARNet.hr!news.spin.it!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Sandro Tosi Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: so you want to migrate DPMT/PAPT to git? look at what pgk-perl did! Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 15:40:03 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: debian-python Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.885 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FOURLA=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, MURPHY_DRUGS_REL8=0.02, PLING_QUERY=0.994] autolearn=ham X-Policyd-Weight: NOT_IN_SBL_XBL_SPAMHAUS=-1.5 NOT_IN_BL_NJABL=-1.5 CL_IP_EQ_HELO_IP=-2 (check from: .gmail. - helo: .mail-wi0-x22c.google. - helo-domain: .google.) FROM/MX_MATCHES_HELO(DOMAIN)=-2; rate: -7 Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=hRwUhdr8aZux1+V4UERpTXt+RQV2TQEYFbj45Ia1zOg=; b=oCl3OAI0XQ39zUY9oRHMeXdJ3N3umj3OT6u1m8FnaY+VgagagQdq/FwaOfYClYe1qX 6lbqxBc6Kta2+bkVs1ZDyJZtRyJIFGc1ubYRCsO2kl0D+hN0CoYesANpRvZ9gYuJx4BQ vM09sUt72XCMVSvs4AWRcWgmju5n3kaLTzcg0Xv0zACecn8qxuNIRVB10b0gg3gxGG++ 4ucp4Y7CWfEpVpGIvdEqLPOIokjMTS4Rw0Ufpin8tBgjUphJnYYicjVuZGzcn0PqZgTB dHMN7uGsRQNQWWIqZQ9VSa3HiVb4HQuLqaNYVpEttKQWS3cWYmWUCoGrObC7bzMFOuBQ m+JQ== X-Received: by 10.180.85.74 with SMTP id f10mr7037340wiz.45.1438954667977; Fri, 07 Aug 2015 06:37:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Google-Sender-Auth: ocyhOWsRZSH60mkkJ10rIAKku0E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12464 List-ID: List-URL: Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 53 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway X-Original-Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 14:37:18 +0100 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-References: <20150806191850.08b6a19e@limelight.wooz.org> <4799001.kIhubA4cL3@kitterma-e6430> X-Original-Sender: sandro.tosi@gmail.com Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:7159 > As someone who would really like to see the transition just get done, I find > having this conversation now VERY frustrating. This has been discussed for > literally more than a year including at a session at the last Debconf. > > When we were discussing git-dpm, I don't recall you objecting. I'm doing it now > To wait until > the moment we are ready to pull the trigger on the migration are we? when was the last update on it? from an external pov, there's not much happening on the matter > and demand we > stop and reconsider the entire plan certainly feels like some kind of denial > of service attack, even if you don't intend it this way. 'demand', 'denial of service attack'? I think you should re-read what you wrote before sending it. While I can understand why you want to exaggerate what I said, those are kinda strong words, even if sent towards an hostile team participant. > There comes a point where I think the team should be able to say "the time for > this conversation was ____ e.g. last year" and we're going to proceed. ok, can you define the 'team' then? and how it can decide when the time is up? > Personally, I'm pretty much a git neophyte, but I find git-dpm trivially easy > to use and it has the property, which I think is essential, of producing > packages for upload that have patches in debian/patches that are logically > separated. I think it's essential because I don't think that one should have > to refer back to a team VCS when trying to understand how to fix a package > later (e.g. a security update). [note: I've no idea what other tools do or > don't do this, I'm just saying this is an attribute of git-dpm that I find > critical to any solution]. > > How many times should we rediscuss everything before doing this? talking about the 'patch regime' and a tool to codify our workflow (which is completely unrelated to the migration) is kinda far away from 'everything'. -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu) My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/ Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAB4XWXz9xdxayYhQ3uTkZQTZfTU7dabvn0Asq3htGcFG8nAD8A@mail.gmail.com