Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Emmanuel Arias Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: Contacting DPT Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 21:30:01 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: Scott Kitterman X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Tue Jun 11 19:26:29 2024 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-113 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, BODY_8BITS=1.5, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=0.02, PGPSIGNATURE=-5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, USER_IN_DKIM_WELCOMELIST=-0.01, USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mElHUMwOpZtqYxbT" Content-Disposition: inline X-Debian-User: eamanu X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21939 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/ZmikyapOurZeMDgx@debian Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 101 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Cc: debian-python@lists.debian.org X-Original-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 16:26:01 -0300 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-References: <3987490.1TINorB1MU@zini-1880> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:15908 --mElHUMwOpZtqYxbT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! On Fri, Jun 07, 2024 at 12:08:46AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Thursday, June 6, 2024 11:40:15 AM EDT Andreas Tille wrote: > > - In the beginning of this year there was a change in the policy of D= PT. > > I'd like to hear your opinion about: > > * The process how it went (possibly with suggestions to do better) > > * The final result after a couple of months > > (I'm specifically interested also in the opinion of people who were > > not happy about the change.) >=20 > Personally, I found the entire exercise quite disappointing. I sensed li= ttle=20 > to no interest from members of the team in trying to understand other=20 > perspectives on the proposed policy change. It seemed to me to be an exe= rcise=20 > in individuals trying to get what they thought best for themselves with l= ittle=20 > interest in the consequences of winning the argument. >=20 > Myself, I would have preferred not to change, but I don't find the change= =20 > itself a major issue either way. I am mostly disheartened by the lack of= =20 > interest in trying to find consensus in the team (note that this lack of= =20 > interest was not exclusively from one side of the discussion or the other= , I=20 > think it was both). >=20 > As far as I can tell, they most concrete result is some people left the t= eam. =20 > Some packages got picked up by other people, some packages were removed f= rom=20 > the team, some packages were orphaned, and some packages were removed fro= m=20 > Debian as a result. Any benefit is theoretical as far as I can tell. I was one of the people that accept the policy changes. At the beginning IMO there were some movements en the packages, there were volunteers picking orphaned packages, people left the team as you mentioned, but the team is working as was working before the policy change. I'm not sure if the policy change had the effect that we expected. >=20 > I have reduced my participation in the team. I have been working my way= =20 > through packages to see if I was working on them because I want to or bec= ause=20 > I thought I ought to as a part of being a good team member. I have remov= ed=20 > myself from uploaders, transferred packages to other uploaders, and orpha= ned=20 > several packages in the latter case. >=20 > If someone thinks this change helped anything, I'd be curious to see the = data=20 > on that supports it. Maybe I just missed it. >=20 > Scott K --=20 cheers, Emmanuel Arias =E2=A2=80=E2=A3=B4=E2=A0=BE=E2=A0=BB=E2=A2=B6=E2=A3=A6=E2=A0=80 =E2=A3=BE=E2=A0=81=E2=A2=A0=E2=A0=92=E2=A0=80=E2=A3=BF=E2=A1=81 eamanu@de= bian.org =E2=A2=BF=E2=A1=84=E2=A0=98=E2=A0=B7=E2=A0=9A=E2=A0=8B=E2=A0=80 OpenPGP: = 13796755BBC72BB8ABE2AEB5 FA9DEC5DE11C63F1 =20 =E2=A0=88=E2=A0=B3=E2=A3=84 --mElHUMwOpZtqYxbT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEEE3lnVbvHK7ir4q61+p3sXeEcY/EFAmZopMkACgkQ+p3sXeEc Y/FsxBAAi612ks9M1JhUBvYbJlHqLKyEr9XwVN2FjrYZ6OXwwmNT3ImS2lGpnbcK /qgwYN3xwaRfRdcHQtBNNfTh4ZbB3M93XVB2gO+Dp1eas3bf9sQw9DKP0fgIazqf sVtLQlmOyimsBRTaU3jtj8eVufbNgLV0u8dUAYDSIFdE7Vx3d4ActU3S++YYexUZ v5PK6JzpZPD915velxethCl9ui9KbV8MxLkI/RBTqlyZzrFsgzkVapjHAPiQrmLh Au0XHHD2Q8pV7XuxoF4l95rIn+EKSnnN6qnwO0xg23yALztCpCCDjtESFH+DtDV/ CeMXXnKYnSEFWJj8wC0t7+bwd6Cn0UoRDwYs3QAh/HTP7EdmBCTP4Jo5G8pV3oRr 84yMj0iqucLtG9fhLyY3QNsK1GTGRR2s2UhHjVPXf7qvfJugBO72+poHmDsto1HP xxBTYyrc8+z1tiK8glrEecs4KsKIOUna7xZgyP4Gu0OlndRWEpndYbYvxaXbN5XS B9tsxGy8h6Qn4VQg4DqhGve7gJhGlcEXtWpAgeQM5zf4rrinTDVAmRV3tuP/nbo1 bIMcIzEP9+mGF6jzzIBMp9s6qgqDt7Ryf0SXHOFk911R2EWASSf24mK3vk0w5Ynw p6KHSw8lz+Qv0BfMeKdr9rT4F8q+tujtaXo13DOnUzmPZL2NnQ0= =48rZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mElHUMwOpZtqYxbT--