Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Holger Levsen Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.java Subject: Re: [Reproducible-builds] Usefulness of periodic reproducible builds e-mails Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:20:03 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: reproducible-builds@lists.alioth.debian.org, "debian-java@lists.debian.org" X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-java-request@lists.debian.org Tue Sep 29 15:16:51 2015 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.7 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, PGPSIGNATURE=-5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate:hard: -6.1 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64; KDE/4.8.4; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart16408800.ORbsYim3ry"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18708 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/201509291716.11613.holger@layer-acht.org Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 70 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:16:07 +0200 X-Original-Message-ID: <201509291716.11613.holger@layer-acht.org> X-Original-References: <20150928230515.CADF11ED52@jenkins.debian.net> <20150929140030.GA1995@alice.nomadium.lan> <560AA10C.2080402@gambaru.de> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.java:8394 --nextPart16408800.ORbsYim3ry Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Dienstag, 29. September 2015, Markus Koschany wrote: > I would like to take the opportunity to raise the following concern. I > support the reproducible builds effort but I think the periodic e-mails > to pkg-java are often not useful enough at the moment. There are far too > many false-positives. The list should be reserved for discussing bug > reports and due the flood of reproducible e-mails it happens that one > can miss a bug report. >=20 > The reports would be most useful if they included only confirmed FTBFS > in testing. I know detecting FTBFS is only a by-product of the > reproducible build effort but those bugs are the most interesting ones > for us. there are two conflicting demands here: I think the java situation is becau= se=20 there are many packages and thus if our system breaks, you get lots of fals= e=20 mails, so understandable you dont want to get false ftbfs reports. And then= =20 there are others, wo want these ftbfs reports, because also often they do=20 indicate real problems, and if not, these other people with less packages, = can=20 easily mentally filter those. and then maybe (?) even you (Markus) and=20 Emmanuel are on the same java team and have different preferences. There are many possible solutions, eg we could stop mailing ftbfs reports. = Or=20 Markus filters them in his mail client. Or we develop a new subscription=20 system, where individual users (=3Demail addresses) can (be) subscribed, in= stead=20 of (*) the subscribing all packages maintainers, as we do now, and which ha= s=20 caused nuicances in the past already too=E2=80=A6 cheers, Holger (*) or in addition --nextPart16408800.ORbsYim3ry Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUAVgqrOwkauFYGmqocAQrYnhAAj6+YPlj/eQQuiTN2ahGX7WdN61/hHA7L E0LNDGqz8WyaTL77ywK02O82GStYUGyTMKibhPgaAjP/gq0M0tXBx170EINCYjJe kj1gyX1Gq8GUTpJ+01Fjjet3H4FBJxz+m9O+WTqjVM7QhE6Fm/xsgF0/ldImwepR NGweIo26c+72Ou1P23Jgb0zvHRRFSgx5KBrXJ/Ewpi9IWt5s6je2BIsfUIJnGAdd /8a7Hpo57iCrEBrnO2UuJkq408gMggpHfJctvVf8uR2V7PpjSZvZWt0FS19DGglj vtGjUTIlzfk74qhs8h0Wv9XjToI9K92SkE0J+paVe7GUVhN7d+xIohSsHFaaWEPI 2ZCxIhGIoUSQ21xy1ZOTFOrNUwHhKNCYHdzdW5q3oQzmCgBl1P6Ul3YoETm6uYSs t66SM++FK6X/3sf/n41HHTWZjeiknPenAniDuNgP6AduvzhwhrKcR8fadYDtN+P3 aCC5xK0GW74RNWE8/KM+mIro9ekGx2Tcr+6obgm3lhD0hnDM3AEdutnmIVq5aszl o1aUebbwmecqcjXngVbK+7XMFN3zGjwJ6iTkeWKJVH7670tlDNo78E7H5sRS6sbH Ha1e7RdgHTHl9VYswlk52XJ68+YIMl11IbqH4/SRbEvN2WlML2KUq7n+STdVKTGT EkXVHotCkys= =OmXM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart16408800.ORbsYim3ry--