Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: =?UTF-8?B?5q635ZWf6IGw?= Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.java Subject: Re: About Jenkins in Debian Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:00:03 +0100 Message-ID: References: X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-java-request@lists.debian.org Sun Jan 24 15:55:00 2016 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, BODY_8BITS=1.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: DYN_NJABL=SKIP(0) NOT_IN_SBL_XBL_SPAMHAUS=-1.5 BL_NJABL=SKIP(-1.5) CL_IP_EQ_HELO_IP=-2 (check from: .gmail. - helo: .mail-yk0-x22e.google. - helo-domain: .google.) FROM/MX_MATCHES_HELO(DOMAIN)=-2; rate: -7 Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=48nXjdOGf8SOmOaZy4KyYEhg9H9pRoUTrdO2fJ892K4=; b=fCPhBaJ+bKBhx9ckvgxI+vBsgVPSM6vpMklwh9Qh1a0SOhFJuXGviu6Hk/kOYWEzio vO5iEzt/aEUbDlX1D8OQHEYAT/Z+eDuoon/VWc4X0f8/zm4vWyLyCdPM0DKc0TOIP/90 LVJ6eNYiqpQR3oCWVXdKaGo1nV+7oiqk3XmEsxlJFgqAMsVStDppgLMkmxeYb/BD3IEf 6Jcfk6r2OPKEspr0Qip2PoHdpuxrNx6qiwDbJOJ2fw86m6JFTgqFfWdVZ7dw+u+dEboU 5dZxxyxMEltHaLG70R5OyQxO+wyC0JnhcfVpLPO2FX3N5Mp61CDPKT6gvZXAK7BmLP6o 6E7w== X-Google-Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=48nXjdOGf8SOmOaZy4KyYEhg9H9pRoUTrdO2fJ892K4=; b=JkPbz/vNeD3DzBi+cSwi5Z49I8czDr04SIy3gJfMm6aokMUr1IPtXUEdrHUxyJn5Qm xfd/sdKoF5GmYwkI7rzWea7p3RerS5SJ9OOEr65LGHgY8KvFqhhPwLS4rpf+kEzwt9QA v2JAnVfQ+1sdc46ySSHkYHwNrZiw903E/06UrvkbQaEDatNvjiUFKFvYQw2QdpzJEIB0 HwtZ14dTGDTONx3mCCSwcdF3A8oq7cEvnrwr8fT5mMZazebRIjb6ktBDCBdgDRIhQ8W+ mprGUheoQcGMi39V7wSzZ/AP4r3oh1hGXqdrUC+sjtAbiTT7ACpDxILxmW7EVV22dF4K b8Fw== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOTpWk1KIkKlzIm/9eDrPH3yq8U9NlAu6WDNo9gsfCPGXdo0nUmTV/Dwlm8sct5SWBUHqUUqY6OEF3oQBg== X-Received: by 10.129.51.214 with SMTP id z205mr7228772ywz.157.1453650883201; Sun, 24 Jan 2016 07:54:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19071 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/CAKxyyfYzPPQL8tFm87HxS6P5NcYS5a+mJUnUpoSxU6yYSLgtDA@mail.gmail.com Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 58 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 23:54:23 +0800 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-References: <5693C485.3030905@apache.org> <56975E6F.3050606@apache.org> <569FB8A7.3040101@apache.org> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.java:8751 Hi, So if my understanding is right, Jenkins is highly likely to be removed from Debian. And the reason behind this is because the release cycle of Jenkins is way too short and upstream already provides .deb? So this makes me think about what exactly should be packaged into Debian. There are not too many softwares providing .deb distributions in upstream, but what if some of the softwares whose packages are already in Debian starts to provide upstream .deb, will we still have the motivation to keep maintaining it? For example, Gradle does not have .deb in upstream, but SBT does, and Gradle indirectly depends on SBT, then should we package SBT into Debian as well, which even though means lots of work? So what if there are some new packages that depends on libraries of Jenkins and someone wants to package it, what should he do? By the way, I am not using Jenkins in daily life, I am simply curious. :) Regards, Kai-Chung Yan 2016-01-21 0:41 GMT+08:00 Emmanuel Bourg : > Le 14/01/2016 10:15, Thorsten Glaser a =C3=A9crit : > >> Hrm, so is upstream=E2=80=99s packaging any good then? I have seen >> so many attempts of upstream to package =E2=80=9Cfor=E2=80=9D Debian tha= t >> I don=E2=80=99t believe them unseen any more=E2=80=A6 > > Reproducibility put aside the upstream package is quite good. The > dependencies and the paths used are correct. It even managed to upgrade > my years old installation of Hudson and turn it into a shiny and up to > date instance of Jenkins without losing anything. > > >> =E2=80=A6 (plus I=E2=80=99d not know which version to pick, and =E2=80= =9Cnobody >> ever got fired for buying IB^W^Wusing what=E2=80=99s in Debian=E2=80=9D = =E2=98=BA) > > That's probably true for the upstream jenkins package too ;) > > Emmanuel Bourg > --=20 /* * =E6=AE=B7=E5=95=9F=E8=81=B0 | Kai-Chung Yan * =E4=B8=80=E7=94=9F=E5=8F=AA=E5=90=91=E7=9C=9F=E7=90=86=E8=88=87=E5=A6=BB= =E5=AD=90=E4=BD=8E=E9=A0=AD * Full-time student of National Taichung University of Education * LinkedIn: * Blog: */