Path: csiph.com!news.samoylyk.net!gothmog.csi.it!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Emmanuel Bourg Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.java Subject: Re: Packaging questions for css-validator (& webapp/war), servlet-api 2.2... Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 11:50:01 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: Fab Stz , debian-java@lists.debian.org X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-java-request@lists.debian.org Tue Jun 17 09:42:57 2025 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-13.199 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, NICE_REPLY_A=-1.201, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -5.5 Authentication-Results: apache.org; auth=none MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.15.1 Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23741 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/9adeef38-336b-ea4b-e62e-7e01268565ed@apache.org Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 32 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 11:42:35 +0200 X-Original-Message-ID: <9adeef38-336b-ea4b-e62e-7e01268565ed@apache.org> X-Original-References: <3223984.Mh6RI2rZIc.ref@debian> <3997850.e9J7NaK4W3@debian> <3533175b-ae87-77b4-2e20-e9da783f4c97@apache.org> <8819347.EvYhyI6sBW@debian> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.java:13012 On 17/06/2025 07:33, Fab Stz wrote: >> But this raises another question: why a 20 year old unmaintained web >> server is necessary? Is it possible to do without it? > > I don't know exactly. Digging into the internals of jigsaw to know why would > be too time-consuming. I have 2 guesses: > - css-validator can be installed into tomcat but also jigsaw (see https:// > jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/DOWNLOAD.html ) > - css-validator requires package "org.w3c.www.http" (~60 classes) and some of > its dependencies that are shipped in jigsaw. I got a look and I confirm it's possible to build css-validator without jigsaw, by just importing a few classes: https://github.com/w3c/css-validator/pull/449 >> It's also about avoiding extra work in the future for maintaining a >> package that may not be used. > > I find it useful to ship also the webapp. Without it, we only have the command > line interface and I don't know if it is feature-equivalent. All the html > files of the webapp are not shipped otherwise. We could also drop the package > in future if it is source of problems or maintenance burden? But why would one want to install a CSS validation service when there is already one hosted by the W3C? I see the value in the command line tool, but not much in the web service. But if you are ready to maintain it in the next 10 years, why not. Emmanuel Bourg