Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Emmanuel Bourg Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.java Subject: Re: Tomcat 9 removed from Debian 12 Date: Sun, 12 May 2024 01:20:01 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-java-request@lists.debian.org Sat May 11 23:10:25 2024 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.616 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, FOURLA=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, NICE_REPLY_A=-1.418, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: NOT_IN_SBL_XBL_SPAMHAUS=-1.5 CL_IP_EQ_HELO_IP=-2 (check from: .apache. - helo: .mxout1-he-de.apache. - helo-domain: .apache.) FROM/MX_MATCHES_HELO(DOMAIN)=-2; rate: -5.5 Authentication-Results: apache.org; auth=none Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------khGA2NHhGGKRFiXeUrns9k3j" MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.15.1 Content-Language: en-US X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23453 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/9892097f-b95d-d0ac-7a51-da83d2bc6d21@apache.org Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 117 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Sun, 12 May 2024 01:09:59 +0200 X-Original-Message-ID: <9892097f-b95d-d0ac-7a51-da83d2bc6d21@apache.org> X-Original-References: Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.java:12762 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------khGA2NHhGGKRFiXeUrns9k3j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Luis, Le 03/05/2024 à 11:54, Luis Panadero Guardeño a écrit : > > I know that the remove tomcat9 packages was done on December of 2023 > and that this was decided a long time ago. But I think that nobody has > stopped to consider that you *cannot simply migrate from Tomcat 9 to > 10 *(inserte here meme), because the javax.* to jakarta.* packages > problem. The changes needed to move a web application from javax to > jackarte aren't simple to do. Specially when *3rd party java > libraries, aren't migrated yet to jakarta packages* ( for example > Apache Commons Email ). > You don't have to migrate to the jakarta.* namespace yet, Tomcat 10 supports both javax and jakarta webapps, just install the tomcat-jakartaee-migration package and drop your .war file to the webapps-javaee directory, the classes will be automatically converted, see: https://tomcat.apache.org/migration-10.html#Specification_APIs > I really hope that someone could reconsider to keep both Tomcat 9 and > Tomcat 10 on Debian 12. If some help it's needed to do this, I could > help (however I don't have idea how to do this). > This won't happen unfortunately, Tomcat is a security intensive package and we can really maintain efficiently only one version per Debian release. > I choose Debian instead of keeping using Ubuntu server, because the > well know stability of Debian (plus I HATE Canonical weird things and > forcing snap on everything) and I don't expected this kind of changes > inside a stable version. > The javax->jakarta transition is annoying for everyone, but you should blame Oracle lawyers for this mess, the Debian Java Team is just following the trend. Emmanuel Bourg --------------khGA2NHhGGKRFiXeUrns9k3j Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Luis,

Le 03/05/2024 à 11:54, Luis Panadero Guardeño a écrit :

I know that the remove tomcat9 packages was done on December of 2023 and that this was decided a long time ago. But I think that nobody has stopped to consider that you cannot simply migrate from Tomcat 9 to 10 (inserte here meme), because the javax.* to jakarta.* packages problem. The changes needed to move a web application from javax to jackarte aren't simple to do. Specially when 3rd party java libraries, aren't migrated yet to jakarta packages ( for example Apache Commons Email ).

You don't have to migrate to the jakarta.* namespace yet, Tomcat 10 supports both javax and jakarta webapps, just install the tomcat-jakartaee-migration package and drop your .war file to the webapps-javaee directory, the classes will be automatically converted, see:

https://tomcat.apache.org/migration-10.html#Specification_APIs

I really hope that someone could reconsider to keep both Tomcat 9 and Tomcat 10 on Debian 12. If some help it's needed to do this, I could help (however I don't have idea how to do this).

This won't happen unfortunately, Tomcat is a security intensive package and we can really maintain efficiently only one version per Debian release.

I choose Debian instead of keeping using Ubuntu server, because the well know stability of Debian (plus I HATE Canonical weird things and forcing snap on everything) and I don't expected this kind of changes inside a stable version.

The javax->jakarta transition is annoying for everyone, but you should blame Oracle lawyers for this mess, the Debian Java Team is just following the trend.

Emmanuel Bourg

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