Path: csiph.com!news.samoylyk.net!gothmog.csi.it!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn_Mork?= Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.boot Subject: Horrible user experience with fresh trixie install on a Thinkpad X11 Carbon Gen12 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2026 13:30:01 +0200 Message-ID: X-Original-To: debian-boot@lists.debian.org X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-boot-request@lists.debian.org Mon Apr 13 11:27:10 2026 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -4.6 X-Greylist: delayed 753 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at bendel; Mon, 13 Apr 2026 11:09:05 UTC Authentication-Results: dilbert.mork.no; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; secure) header.d=mork.no header.i=@mork.no header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=b header.b=ku08yuGG; dkim-atps=neutral Organization: m User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/222454 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/87o6jnw2lg.fsf@miraculix.mork.no Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 31 Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2026 12:56:27 +0200 X-Original-Message-ID: <87o6jnw2lg.fsf@miraculix.mork.no> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.boot:77343 Tried something new today: A fresh install of trixie on a "modern" (2 year old) laptop. First boot, after what I perceived as a successful install, resulted in a black screen with a frozen cursor on top left. No response to any key press. Hard power off was the only way out. Booting in recovery mode and installing firmware-intel-graphics fixed the problem. But how many new users will know how to - boot into recovery mode, - configure networking manually, - guess that a firmware is missing, - know which package to look for, and - how to install it from the command line? My guess is that approximately 100% of users facing such issues will simply try another distro, until they find one that works out of the box. This is NOT a question about non-free firmware blobs. I'm fine with asking users to explictly install those. The problem is that there was no such question, and the system was so broken without the firmware that most users are unable to make that choice even if they knew about it. Bj=C3=B8rn