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Re: file access time and file modification time

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On 7/9/19 12:12 PM, kfm@plushkava.net wrote:

>> The code just returns (atime <= mtime), and has since 1997. It uses the
>> st_atime and st_mtime fields. I should update it to use timespecs if
>> they're available, and (mtime > atime) might work closer to your
>> expectations.
>>
>> After the call to mktemp, the atime and mtime are the same, so the test
>> returns true.
> 
> I see. Indeed, it is confusing to me because I would not consider a file whose atime and mtime are equal to have been "modified since it was last read", notwithstanding that the newborn file has not yet been read at all. I think that it would help for the documentation to address this nuance.
> 
> As for the possibility of using the timespec fields, that would be terrific.

That's already done.

And we'll try the (mtime > atime) variant as well.

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Re: file access time and file modification time Chet Ramey <chet.ramey@case.edu> - 2019-07-09 14:11 -0400

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