Path: csiph.com!3.us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!panix!usenet.stanford.edu!not-for-mail From: Stephane Chazelas Newsgroups: gnu.bash.bug Subject: Re: Pathname expansion vs. filename expansion Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 16:30:21 +0100 Lines: 36 Approved: bug-bash@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <87094e8a-3a60-5ad1-ac26-815a4a8a7ed7@case.edu> <20190820151542.6pvfuk32niplx7pt@chaz.gmail.com> <20190820153021.w777rizqvsgmi4nf@chaz.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lists.gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: usenet.stanford.edu 1566315029 28135 209.51.188.17 (20 Aug 2019 15:30:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: action@cs.stanford.edu Cc: konsolebox , bug-bash To: Chet Ramey Envelope-to: bug-bash@gnu.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=bpIKfW7RrfaSs6kfZE56P+/RVsf6H/y+45SejpcvvSo=; b=SW4JgruX6PUgTxOoa5N6msXvOMCPVt7Lq/8El5/8HOC7Bq4uXbtkb1zfMgt1b6mfF4 gE7PdkdqlUbNhVZAJskZrkUkdaiDq1ASRcNsougtyqUgXk5yoLwB3/95z84UPAtQE7Zs izGteCUwMWzR/YIa4R5g7LHduSza/T5sHWHok9qY9MwsEmjTlsbOOkl9x+tRl78Nj9pN 3eCsxzj20iXlg4hM6Q5fV5A2RQt2YPPThH/KQMLR8WFArbBdcxKwzOE8BtIyNKCWafzK iPvlYIMbzrqEAuMMIRxsc9paJiskilVVa/fYTCLQ1bWun4fsEUOPTtR0vFfnQMfuHDAF boFA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=bpIKfW7RrfaSs6kfZE56P+/RVsf6H/y+45SejpcvvSo=; b=J041CZ75uIcICVO7K77gDAQyT5pm3JjHcm2ye4mMB9LtwVEeHyO1wcZcx2kNQs5rN4 T7ibRU9zXvmpHcwhi8EHev7bqBiykeqT9myycUAXY3+MfkFiLSQcWzsL3k4/UPKagHPz rNYKVs7hX6oeJ47wxQBfYirrW7xos4Ds13FC7xrMeiE/UXhgeEvmRS7hQ4umcFoxDBk1 JoC+RMthhpl3BJRNX+auhU+aLuOQofE7rnUw5aRhUdwORxiMboWrbcfDGcXSbwR74Ye+ KV6EzYlRHTSGjxuTaQwpyuCMOTlK+etElJSNmiSEnVTLF0/0lXg/GSiUShdtXMrF4lYX KOMg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWHauSt9tC3vrCpVoqiZUxgG4yZiTzVMjp0NP6jND4SYbs8Z22n 8JsKxiYGdRvanxPvsPAhHbI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzPvY3UGu1CgUIP+BpbaTWVVRSoPn2s1Y6aGA7N8Z0ADQ3rvVgtndJSNvQry0sD/lHc91jQYg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:a7c9:: with SMTP id q192mr591255wme.144.1566315023881; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 08:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190820151542.6pvfuk32niplx7pt@chaz.gmail.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20171215 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32a X-BeenThere: bug-bash@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Bug reports for the GNU Bourne Again SHell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <20190820153021.w777rizqvsgmi4nf@chaz.gmail.com> X-Mailman-Original-References: <87094e8a-3a60-5ad1-ac26-815a4a8a7ed7@case.edu> <20190820151542.6pvfuk32niplx7pt@chaz.gmail.com> Xref: csiph.com gnu.bash.bug:15328 2019-08-20 16:15:42 +0100, Stephane Chazelas: [...] > https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/GNU-Manuals.html#GNU-Manuals > > GNU> Please do not use the term “pathname” that is used in Unix > GNU> documentation; use “file name” (two words) instead. We use the > GNU> term “path” only for search paths, which are lists of directory > GNU> names. > > So I guess that should be "file name expansion" > > That's probably not the right place to argue whether that GNU > recommendations makes sense, but note that the FTP RFC (1985 > https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc959.txt, so predates POSIX if not > the GNU project) defines pathname as [...] Actually, Unix V1 in 1970 already used "pathname" for that, long before the concept of the environment (let alone $PATH) was introduced. I don't know why rms insists on using "file name" here which at best is ambiguous. See https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-standards/2009-11/msg00003.html and rms response: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-standards/2009-11/msg00005.html See also "filename generation" or "globbing" which avoid the potential confusion with ~user and <(...) which also are "pathname expansion" operators. -- Stephane