Path: csiph.com!optima2.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!usenet.stanford.edu!not-for-mail From: Greg Wooledge Newsgroups: gnu.bash.bug Subject: Re: Inconsistent arithmetic evaluation of parameters Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 11:48:40 -0400 Lines: 38 Approved: bug-bash@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20150901175030.GP4309@eeg.ccf.org> <20150901202308.GR4309@eeg.ccf.org> <87r3mhu91x.fsf@igel.home> <20150902151948.GT4309@eeg.ccf.org> <55E714BA.9020904@case.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lists.gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: usenet.stanford.edu 1441208932 32458 208.118.235.17 (2 Sep 2015 15:48:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: action@cs.stanford.edu To: "bug-bash@gnu.org" Envelope-to: bug-bash@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <55E714BA.9020904@case.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 139.137.100.1 X-BeenThere: bug-bash@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Bug reports for the GNU Bourne Again SHell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com gnu.bash.bug:11467 On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 11:24:42AM -0400, Chet Ramey wrote: > On 9/2/15 11:19 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 10:16:14AM -0500, Dennis Williamson wrote: > >> The $ is implied. > > > > That is completely absurd. (And wrong.) > > Not exactly. When the arithmetic evaluator encounters a token that is of > the form of a shell identifier (`bar'), in a context where an operand is > needed, it treats it as a shell variable and looks up the variable's > value. In that sense, it's an expansion. > > The difference between bash and dash is what each shell does with that > value. $foo and foo are not equivalent in dash, as we've already discussed: $ dash $ foo=bar bar=5 $ echo $((foo)) dash: 4: Illegal number: bar $ echo $(($foo)) 5 They are also not equivalent in bash, if I may be permitted to change the context slightly: $ bash $ foo='$(id >&2)' $ echo $((x[foo])) bash: $(id >&2): syntax error: operand expected (error token is "$(id >&2)") $ echo $((x[$foo])) uid=563(wooledg) gid=22(pgmr) groups=1002(webauth),208(opgmr) 0 So "The $ is implied" is false, in both shells, although there are some contexts where they happen to produce the same result.