Path: csiph.com!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!usenet.stanford.edu!not-for-mail From: worley@alum.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: gnu.bash.bug Subject: Re: Proposed new feature for bash: unbuffered pipes, part 1: overview Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 21:16:53 -0400 Lines: 30 Approved: bug-bash@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20200422113606.GD845@eeg.ccf.org> (wooledg@eeg.ccf.org) <87pnbzuhkq.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lists.gnu.org X-Trace: usenet.stanford.edu 1587604625 3473 209.51.188.17 (23 Apr 2020 01:17:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: action@cs.stanford.edu Cc: bug-bash@gnu.org To: Greg Wooledge Envelope-to: bug-bash@gnu.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcastmailservice.net; s=20180828_2048; t=1587604617; bh=esqzactXmRwoDfzzbxsvonwup9tW0HmV/2zZFRbO8ZM=; h=Received:Received:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date: Message-ID; b=T8rqqFAQUdIcB5mEsXXD+LqVGCeucfqlBBP7hv3OI08qrshfzV7wBRVGuOg0IyVab OWgCpdQQAOsNFEWEnZmv3td9euwyQ/a59JtusiPe9WOR9By1D5yXyz56Qmc/qesBtU AsmmFW+FpA/XiiAB1MTfD2N6aWjab3z4rKg79FBT0spN432hgpAYhxWDJ3qXoC+Sd5 z8qKA1BdUo4GqFeLJTP0FaVw8PhAINtJ6Pjp+O4HmsDLx4THBEDT6UvChLLos/ak94 1jMVyNYFcd5tEjAeJiIC6kS6cCeyE+LQWtYAaN8Hm/peLXV3nlDQahj790PgSGOgBi 2kmGQbw+XvI9A== X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=-100.00;st=legit X-Authentication-Warning: hobgoblin.ariadne.com: worley set sender to worley@alum.mit.edu using -f In-Reply-To: <20200422113606.GD845@eeg.ccf.org> (wooledg@eeg.ccf.org) Received-SPF: softfail client-ip=2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:44; envelope-from=worley@alum.mit.edu; helo=resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/22 21:16:57 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Received-From: 2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:44 X-BeenThere: bug-bash@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Bug reports for the GNU Bourne Again SHell List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <87pnbzuhkq.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Xref: csiph.com gnu.bash.bug:16228 Greg Wooledge writes: > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 08:38:41PM -0400, Dale R. Worley wrote: >> The "unbuffered pipe" symbol ">|>" causes Bash to set in the >> environment of the "grep" process a variable "STDOUT_UNBUFFERED" with >> a value that contains the dev and ino values for the pipe which the >> "grep" process sees as fd 1. > > Which libc implements this? None does yet, obviously. That's why I provided a patch for it. >> References >> >> 14 Sep 1999 >> https://marc.info/?l=glibc-bug&m=98313957306295&w=4 >> "[REMINDER] stdio buffer flushing control environment variable" > > The next message in the thread is from Ulrich Drepper, saying: > > I will not implement this since it's completely up to the application > to do this. One knows in advance when this is necessary. If there is > a problem with the current code to select when line-buffering is used > (we use as everybody else isatty) then one can talk about this. I > think it is correct, though. That's true, but I don't hink he's looking at it properly. It was also from 20 years ago. Dale