Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" Newsgroups: england.genealogy.misc,england.history.misc,soc.genealogy.britain,alt.history,soc.history,alt.genealogy Subject: Re: Britons still live in Anglo-Saxon tribal kingdoms, Oxford University finds Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:04:59 +0100 Organization: 255 software Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4d3V3nOb2yKWFwVE@soft255.demon.co.uk> References: <0m4m2blnpj3el62hehob679o1danln696u@4ax.com> Reply-To: G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="50929c74e9ba6152d5da9491b99cc3d4"; logging-data="31693"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/x7ekpoaOBqVqNHVraGf4+" User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-M () Cancel-Lock: sha1:XTC77Cv3OkTbzNcroXwjswqTn6Y= Xref: csiph.com england.genealogy.misc:2 england.history.misc:2 soc.genealogy.britain:46640 soc.history:17905 alt.genealogy:5014 In message <0m4m2blnpj3el62hehob679o1danln696u@4ax.com>, Steve Hayes writes: [] >A new genetic map of Britain shows that there has been little movement >between areas of Britain which were former tribal kingoms in >Anglo-Saxon England [] >The ‘People of the British Isles’ study analysed the DNA of 2,039 >people from rural areas of the UK, whose four grandparents were all >born within 80km of each other. > >Because a quarter of our genome comes from each of our grandparents, >the researchers were effectively sampling DNA from these ancestors, >allowing a snapshot of UK genetics in the late 19th Century before >mass migration events caused by the industrial revolution. [] Thanks for posting this; interesting. Although the Telegraph's analysis - though it left the second two paragraphs above in - seems to have ignored them; by limiting its focus to those whose grandparents were all born within 80 km of each other, it is obviously biased to immobility. The general thrust of the article is that we haven't moved much for 14 centuries; however, a better summary would be that _up to the late 19th century_ we hadn't moved much. Still interesting, especially the fact that Viking, Saxon, and Roman (genetic) influence is only moderate, but not particularly startling to genealogists: anyone who has done much research in the field will have already discovered that people before even up to the end of the nineteenth century often lived their entire lives within a few miles of where they were born. It would be interesting to have another study taken without the restriction, to see how things _have_ changed since "mass migration". In my own researches, I had assumed the coming of the railways in the mid to late 19C would have led to much greater migration around the country; however, I've found the effect was much less than I'd expected. Still, when doing research for work colleagues (at Rochester in Kent), I find quite a lot of them are from local areas. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf My daughter is appalled by it at all times, but you know you have to appal your 14-year-old daughter otherwise you're not doing your job as a father. - Richard Osman to Alison Graham, in Radio Times 2013-6-8 to 14