Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Keith Thompson Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.programmer,comp.lang.misc Subject: Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2025 17:13:04 -0700 Organization: None to speak of Lines: 42 Message-ID: <87bjm5dq3z.fsf@example.invalid> References: <87plv6jv1i.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <87ikvlo9ql.fsf@tudado.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2025 00:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="29f5b957a96734d94d8e2ff187e57da0"; logging-data="1569396"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/3UgtFmXiApmj8j9IHKxcu" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:lN4YZKORMOFj7T0NUU/ueMMZkQY= sha1:UGektLAljJ2yHtVKooq6lCVwBMk= Xref: csiph.com comp.unix.shell:26493 comp.unix.programmer:17016 comp.lang.misc:11434 Johanne Fairchild writes: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro writes: >> On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 03:15:16 -0000 (UTC), Sebastian wrote: >>> In comp.unix.programmer Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> (And I have no idea about this “Black” thing. I just do my thing.) >>> >>> Black is a [bla bla bla] >> >> *Yawn* > > The guy was kindly and politely sharing information with you. For the sake of accuracy, here's what Sebastian wrote (more than a year ago): Black is a Python program that formats Python code almost exactly the way you formatted that snippet of Lisp code. It's just as ugly in Python as it is in Lisp. Black spreads by convincing organizations to mandate its use. It's utterly non-configurable on purpose, in order to guarantee that eventually, all Python code is made to be as ugly and unreadable as possible. This is more exaggerated opinion than information. Of course there's nothing wrong with that sharing an opinion, but there's also nothing wrong with responding to an inflammatory opinion with a yawn. Here's what the "black" man page says: NAME black - uncompromising Python code formatter SUMMARY black is the uncompromising Python code formatter. By using it, you agree to cede control over minutiae of hand-formatting. In return, Black gives you speed, determinism, and freedom from pycodestyle nagging about formatting. You will save time and mental energy for more important matters. -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */