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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.editors, comp.text.pdf, alt.comp.os.windows-10 |
| Subject | Re: What is the best free software for creating & editing PDFs nowadays |
| Date | 2025-03-05 01:39 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
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On Tue, 3/4/2025 11:28 PM, Don_from_AZ wrote:
> Peter Flynn <peter@silmaril.ie> writes:
>
>> On 04/03/2025 15:23, Tim Slattery wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> A box of Hollerith (or IBM) cards held 2,000 cards. Each FORTRAN
>>> statement would go on a separate card, so 2,000 FORTRAN statements
>>> is right. And if you dropped your box and spilled your cards, good
>>> luck getting them back in the correct order!
>>
>> In my college, the computing centre had a card sorter, which was huge
>> and stood on cast-iron lion's feet which someone had painted gold :-)
>> But of course it only worked if your program statements or data lines
>> (cards) were numbered. You only drop a box of cards once.
>>
>> (You may hear the voice of experience there :-)
>>
>> Peter
>>
> I worked for Honeywell at a WWMMCCS site (World-Wide Military Command
> and Control System) at the Washington Navy Yard as a tech support
> guy. This was about 1973. I created new boot decks for the Honeywell 635
> as needed, with new patch cards or new configurations. I was carrying a
> tray of punched cards to the computer room, one hand on each end of the
> card tray. I tried to hook the door handle with my little finger to pull
> it open and lost my grip on the tray; cards all over the floor!
> Embarrasing to say the least, and I didn't even try to put them back in
> order, just punched out a new deck.
>
You could put numbers in column 72.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/FortranCardPROJ039.agr.jpg/960px-FortranCardPROJ039.agr.jpg
You generally also need some spacing between card numbers, like use 10,20,30
then if you added a card it could be 25, then a card between 20 and 25, could
be card 23. You needed a means to support program edits.
If you needed a program label line number, that went on the left
of the card, while anti-spill card numbering went on the right of the card.
This is an example of an infinite loop, and if I spilled these two cards
on the floor, 25 comes before 30 and we're all good. The 100 on the left
is a program label.
100 GOTO 100 25
CONTINUE 30
For small student programs, nobody bothered with column 72. For larger
projects, it was considered a necessary evil.
The easiest way to get the cards numbered, would be to copy the deck to
the output punch and have column 72 content added automatically. I don't
think I ever used the output punch on a mainframe. Maybe my QDGS deck
had column 72, because that was a box-full (2000 cards for some purpose).
I don't recollect where that deck came from -- maybe someone had it
punched for me. The output came in a box (the Ice Queen probably put
the 2000 cards in a box, after they were punched). The ice Queen was
the emotionless computer operator, she wore a heavy sweater year round,
because it was like 50F inside the computer room. I'd been on a tour
of that computer room, and it's like working in the flash freezer
at the fish plant. It is COLD in there. That's why she was the
Ice Queen, as she had mastery over ice, and the ice could not get to her.
Nothing got to her. I don't think the expression on her face, changed
even once. She didn't even have a name! That's how emotionless she was.
Paul
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