Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E.R." Newsgroups: comp.sys.raspberry-pi,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Inside out (Was: More on wifi range - Pi PICO W Oil level sensor) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2025 13:45:41 +0100 Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <10h8unl$oq21$1@dont-email.me> <10hbfkb$1di3b$1@dont-email.me> <10hbqv5$1gdcg$1@dont-email.me> <10he63d$24n80$2@dont-email.me> <10hf2gl$2282u$6@dont-email.me> <10hgtsb$2r3rh$10@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net BIbX2V7q1/Lmn8zcVYnXRgW+rCMU8k2Y1imXWQJTfdExRD/+QH X-Orig-Path: Telcontar.valinor!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:E/v/iTjGSO+4guIWYdneNb74cLY= sha256:ZcOstPFQPLMI+6IHrJx4gi5w+RQZhTJQiKAhprJYg80= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: es-ES, en-CA In-Reply-To: <10hgtsb$2r3rh$10@dont-email.me> Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.raspberry-pi:37446 comp.os.linux.misc:78993 On 2025-12-12 12:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 11/12/2025 20:59, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-12-11 19:28, John R Walliker wrote: >>> On 11/12/2025 18:16, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>> On 2025-12-11, Daniel James wrote: >>>>> On 11/12/2025 04:12, c186282 wrote: >>>>>> ... they just run lots of pipes on the outsides of the thick stone >>>>>> walls. Works, but you'd never get away with that in modern >>>>>> commercial buildings. Things have to look all neat and tidy. >>>>> >>>>> Have you SEEN the Centre Georges Pompidou in Paris? >>>>> >>>>> ... or the Lloyds Insurance building in London, for that matter. >>>> >>>> I seem to remember hearing that there was an English building code that >>>> REQUIRED outside pipes for water (and sewage?) so that they could be >>>> easily thawed with a blowtorch when they froze in the winter? >>> >>> No, it was only done to save money. >> >> It seems amazing to me doing that in Britain, were pipes can freeze. >> Now I understand the description of an hotel (Devon) in a novel I'm >> reading (Ruth Rendell, The secret house of death). >> > > I think the issue is that pre war, many many houses had no water, no > inside toilet, no heating beyond a coal fire no electricity and so on. > > Hence they were upgraded to a water tank in the roof and some form of > sporadic mains water supply, fed via something coming out of the ground > and into the house. > Drainage was often external - room size was small and the pipes were > just routed outside for ease of installation. And indeed access for > clearing blockages. > > Retrofitting modern infrastructure to old houses is massively expensive. My city is ancient, three thousand years, but there is no river. Well water tends to be salty, from the sea; mixed often. I don't know how they survived. I think the water in sufficient quantities arrived in 1945, from a river 170 Km to the north. So before that year, houses here had no bathrooms, they were built since then as houses were provided with running water. Yet, I have not seen that network of pipes on the outside, except for rain water from the roof. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;