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  Migrating from 2010 MacBook Pro (Intel, High Sierra) to 2020 MacBook Air (M1, Big Sur) TDH1978 <thedeerhunter1978@movie.uni> - 2020-11-12 18:44 -0500
    Re: Migrating from 2010 MacBook Pro (Intel, High Sierra) to 2020 MacBook Air (M1, Big Sur) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-12 18:53 -0500
    Re: Migrating from 2010 MacBook Pro (Intel, High Sierra) to 2020 MacBook Air (M1, Big Sur) Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-12 15:56 -0800
      Re: Migrating from 2010 MacBook Pro (Intel, High Sierra) to 2020   MacBook Air (M1, Big Sur) Leo <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2020-11-12 17:50 -0800
        Re: Migrating from 2010 MacBook Pro (Intel, High Sierra) to 2020   MacBook Air (M1, Big Sur) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-11-13 14:56 +1300
    Re: Migrating from 2010 MacBook Pro (Intel, High Sierra) to 2020 MacBook Air (M1, Big Sur) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-11-13 14:17 +1300
      Re: Migrating from 2010 MacBook Pro (Intel, High Sierra) to 2020 MacBook Air (M1, Big Sur) TDH1978 <thedeerhunter1978@movie.uni> - 2020-11-12 20:50 -0500
        Re: Migrating from 2010 MacBook Pro (Intel, High Sierra) to 2020 MacBook Air (M1, Big Sur) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-11-13 14:54 +1300
        Re: Migrating from 2010 MacBook Pro (Intel, High Sierra) to 2020 MacBook Air (M1, Big Sur) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-12 21:41 -0500
        Re: Migrating from 2010 MacBook Pro (Intel, High Sierra) to 2020 MacBook Air (M1, Big Sur) Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-13 10:33 +0000
    Re: Migrating from 2010 MacBook Pro (Intel, High Sierra) to 2020 MacBook Air (M1, Big Sur) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2020-11-13 17:21 +0000
    Re: Migrating from 2010 MacBook Pro (Intel, High Sierra) to 2020 MacBook Air (M1, Big Sur) TDH1978 <thedeerhunter1978@movie.uni> - 2020-11-14 11:20 -0500

#134742 — Migrating from 2010 MacBook Pro (Intel, High Sierra) to 2020 MacBook Air (M1, Big Sur)

I have a 2010 17" MacBook Pro running macOS High Sierra.  I use Apple 
Mail (pointing to a Gmail IMAP server) for all my emails, Apple Photos 
for all my pictures and videos, and iTunes for all my music.  Attached 
to the 2010 MacBook Pro is a 1TB LaCie Porsche Design USB drive which 
holds all my TimeMachine backups (done incrementally every hour).

I will soon upgrade to the new 2020 13" MacBook Air with the M1 
processor and running Big Sur, and I would like to transfer all my 
software and data to the new MacBook Air.  I understand that I will not 
be able to migrate all the third-party software applications (such as 
LibreOffice) for now, but my priorities are emails, pictures/videos, 
music, and documents.

  * Can I transfer everything via Wi-Fi from the 2010 MacBook Pro to 
the 2020 MacBook Air using the Migration Assistant, without involving 
the USB drive?
  * Or do I need to connect the two machines via a cable, like an 
Ethernet cable?
  * Or do I need to attach the USB drive to the new 2020 MacBook Air 
and use TimeMachine Restore?
  * Is there any chance of data loss/corruption during the migration process?
  * After the migration, will the iTunes library on the new 2020 
MacBook Air become the "primary" library?  The old 2010 MacBook Pro 
will be decommissioned after the migration.

In all my years of using a Mac, I have never used the Migration 
Assistant, so any help would be appreciated.

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#134743

In article <rokhct$rjv$1@dont-email.me>, TDH1978
<thedeerhunter1978@movie.uni> wrote:

> I have a 2010 17" MacBook Pro running macOS High Sierra.  I use Apple 
> Mail (pointing to a Gmail IMAP server) for all my emails, Apple Photos 
> for all my pictures and videos, and iTunes for all my music.  Attached 
> to the 2010 MacBook Pro is a 1TB LaCie Porsche Design USB drive which 
> holds all my TimeMachine backups (done incrementally every hour).
> 
> I will soon upgrade to the new 2020 13" MacBook Air with the M1 
> processor and running Big Sur, and I would like to transfer all my 
> software and data to the new MacBook Air.  I understand that I will not 
> be able to migrate all the third-party software applications (such as 
> LibreOffice) for now, but my priorities are emails, pictures/videos, 
> music, and documents.

just about everything should work, other than 32 bit apps.

>   * Can I transfer everything via Wi-Fi from the 2010 MacBook Pro to 
> the 2020 MacBook Air using the Migration Assistant, without involving 
> the USB drive?

migrating over wifi is extremely slow. don't even consider trying.

>   * Or do I need to connect the two machines via a cable, like an 
> Ethernet cable?

that would be better than wifi, but still slow.

>   * Or do I need to attach the USB drive to the new 2020 MacBook Air 
> and use TimeMachine Restore?

that would be the fastest method, especially if it's a usb 3 drive.

another option is put the old macbook into target disk mode, however,
you would need a thunderbolt-firewire adapter. 

>   * Is there any chance of data loss/corruption during the migration process?

of course. nothing is perfect. however, that's highly unlikely.

if something does go wrong, start over. there's nothing on the new mac
so nothing will be lost.

>   * After the migration, will the iTunes library on the new 2020 
> MacBook Air become the "primary" library?  The old 2010 MacBook Pro 
> will be decommissioned after the migration.

yes.

> In all my years of using a Mac, I have never used the Migration 
> Assistant, so any help would be appreciated.

it works exceptionally well.

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#134744

On 2020-11-12 3:44 p.m., TDH1978 wrote:
> I have a 2010 17" MacBook Pro running macOS High Sierra.  I use Apple 
> Mail (pointing to a Gmail IMAP server) for all my emails, Apple Photos 
> for all my pictures and videos, and iTunes for all my music.  Attached 
> to the 2010 MacBook Pro is a 1TB LaCie Porsche Design USB drive which 
> holds all my TimeMachine backups (done incrementally every hour).
> 
> I will soon upgrade to the new 2020 13" MacBook Air with the M1 
> processor and running Big Sur, and I would like to transfer all my 
> software and data to the new MacBook Air.  I understand that I will not 
> be able to migrate all the third-party software applications (such as 
> LibreOffice) for now, but my priorities are emails, pictures/videos, 
> music, and documents.
> 
>   * Can I transfer everything via Wi-Fi from the 2010 MacBook Pro to the 
> 2020 MacBook Air using the Migration Assistant, without involving the 
> USB drive?

Yes.

>   * Or do I need to connect the two machines via a cable, like an 
> Ethernet cable?

An Ethernet cable would be faster than WiFi, but you don't need to do it.

>   * Or do I need to attach the USB drive to the new 2020 MacBook Air and 
> use TimeMachine Restore?

Using a Time Machine backup is also one of the choices that Migration 
Assistant gives you.

>   * Is there any chance of data loss/corruption during the migration 
> process?

There's always a possibility, but in my experience (which is fairly 
large), it's never happened.

>   * After the migration, will the iTunes library on the new 2020 MacBook 
> Air become the "primary" library?  The old 2010 MacBook Pro will be 
> decommissioned after the migration.

Yes.

> 
> In all my years of using a Mac, I have never used the Migration 
> Assistant, so any help would be appreciated.
> 

Start here:

'Move your content to a new Mac

Use Migration Assistant to copy all of your documents, apps, user 
accounts, and settings to a new Mac from another computer.'

<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT204350>

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#134747 — Re: Migrating from 2010 MacBook Pro (Intel, High Sierra) to 2020 MacBook Air (M1, Big Sur)

On 2020 Nov 12, , Alan Baker wrote
(in article <roki30$vu1$1@dont-email.me>):

> Start here:
>
> 'Move your content to a new Mac
>
> Use Migration Assistant to copy all of your documents, apps, user
> accounts, and settings to a new Mac from another computer.'
>
> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT204350>

Although my thought may be obsolete, does one not use Setup Assistant during 
initial boot up that invokes Migration Assistant among all the other things 
that should be done during set-up? I haven’t set up a new Mac since my 2014 
Mini, and I used Setup Assistant. It was dirt easy. Is it gone?

leo

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#134750 — Re: Migrating from 2010 MacBook Pro (Intel, High Sierra) to 2020 MacBook Air (M1, Big Sur)

On 2020-11-13 01:50:19 +0000, Leo said:
> On 2020 Nov 12, , Alan Baker wrote
> (in article <roki30$vu1$1@dont-email.me>):
>> 
>> Start here:
>> 
>> 'Move your content to a new Mac
>> 
>> Use Migration Assistant to copy all of your documents, apps, user
>> accounts, and settings to a new Mac from another computer.'
>> 
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT204350>
> 
> Although my thought may be obsolete, does one not use Setup Assistant during
> initial boot up that invokes Migration Assistant among all the other things
> that should be done during set-up? I haven't set up a new Mac since my 2014
> Mini, and I used Setup Assistant. It was dirt easy. Is it gone?
> 
> leo

It's the same as it has always been ... it's always best to use the 
option in the initial set-up process. Using the separate Migration 
Assistant app later, after setting up the new Mac, can cause issues 
with things like User ID clashes.

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#134745

On 2020-11-12 23:44:29 +0000, TDH1978 said:
> 
> I have a 2010 17" MacBook Pro running macOS High Sierra.  I use Apple 
> Mail (pointing to a Gmail IMAP server) for all my emails, Apple Photos 
> for all my pictures and videos, and iTunes for all my music.  Attached 
> to the 2010 MacBook Pro is a 1TB LaCie Porsche Design USB drive which 
> holds all my TimeMachine backups (done incrementally every hour).
> 
> I will soon upgrade to the new 2020 13" MacBook Air with the M1 
> processor and running Big Sur, and I would like to transfer all my 
> software and data to the new MacBook Air.  I understand that I will not 
> be able to migrate all the third-party software applications (such as 
> LibreOffice) for now, but my priorities are emails, pictures/videos, 
> music, and documents.
> 
>   * Can I transfer everything via Wi-Fi from the 2010 MacBook Pro to 
> the 2020 MacBook Air using the Migration Assistant, without involving 
> the USB drive?
>   * Or do I need to connect the two machines via a cable, like an 
> Ethernet cable?
>   * Or do I need to attach the USB drive to the new 2020 MacBook Air 
> and use TimeMachine Restore?
>   * Is there any chance of data loss/corruption during the migration process?
>   * After the migration, will the iTunes library on the new 2020 
> MacBook Air become the "primary" library?  The old 2010 MacBook Pro 
> will be decommissioned after the migration.
> 
> In all my years of using a Mac, I have never used the Migration 
> Assistant, so any help would be appreciated.

Alan Baker has already replied, but here's a few more notes.

1.  If you are going to use Migration Assistant, do so during the
    initial set-up when you first turn on the new Mac. Don't do
    it aftwards with separate Migration Assistant app because
    that way can cause some extra issues with things like
    User ID clashes.

2.  Old 32-bit apps will no longer work at all. You will need to
    use some form of virtualisation / emulation to run those if
    needed ... BUT neither Parallels Desktop nor WMWare Fusion
    work on the M1 Macs yet (not sure about other the other
    freeware options).

3.  Some Intel Mac 64-bit apps will also not work - one of which
    being Parallels Desktop. Many apps are still in the process
    of being re-done for M1 Macs (Microsoft has launched an M1
    version of Office, but not yet a universal binary version for
    running on both Intel and M1).

4.  Old Intel Mac apps will take a bit longer to open the first
    time on the M1 Mac as Rosetta translates them (can be 20 secs
    or more for big apps). After that they should open up the
    same or slightly quicker than before. The translation process
    also means the apps wil take up more space on the drive - so
    steer well clear of the 128GB Macs if you use a lot of apps.

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#134748

On 2020-11-13 01:17:56 +0000, Your Name said:

> 1.  If you are going to use Migration Assistant, do so during the
>     initial set-up when you first turn on the new Mac. Don't do
>     it aftwards with separate Migration Assistant app because
>     that way can cause some extra issues with things like
>     User ID clashes.

Does that mean I should attach the USB drive to the new MacBook Air 
BEFORE powering it on the first time?  Or will the Migration Assistant 
ask me to attach the USB drive DURING the initial set-up?

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#134749

On 2020-11-13 01:50:33 +0000, TDH1978 said:
> On 2020-11-13 01:17:56 +0000, Your Name said:
>> 
>> 1.  If you are going to use Migration Assistant, do so during the
>> initial set-up when you first turn on the new Mac. Don't do
>> it aftwards with separate Migration Assistant app because
>> that way can cause some extra issues with things like
>> User ID clashes.
> 
> Does that mean I should attach the USB drive to the new MacBook Air 
> BEFORE powering it on the first time?  Or will the Migration Assistant 
> ask me to attach the USB drive DURING the initial set-up?

You can turn on the new Mac. At some point during the initial set-up it 
will a screen asking if you want to migrate data from an old Mac or 
Time Machine backup - you can plug in whichever you want then. (There's 
also an option to not migrate data and start with a fresh, clean slate.)

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#134754

In article <rokop9$5ll$1@dont-email.me>, TDH1978
<thedeerhunter1978@movie.uni> wrote:

> Does that mean I should attach the USB drive to the new MacBook Air 
> BEFORE powering it on the first time?  Or will the Migration Assistant 
> ask me to attach the USB drive DURING the initial set-up?

it will ask. you can connect it earlier if you prefer.

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#134773

In message <rokop9$5ll$1@dont-email.me> TDH1978 <thedeerhunter1978@movie.uni> wrote:
> On 2020-11-13 01:17:56 +0000, Your Name said:

>> 1.  If you are going to use Migration Assistant, do so during the
>>     initial set-up when you first turn on the new Mac. Don't do
>>     it aftwards with separate Migration Assistant app because
>>     that way can cause some extra issues with things like
>>     User ID clashes.

> Does that mean I should attach the USB drive to the new MacBook Air 
> BEFORE powering it on the first time?  Or will the Migration Assistant 
> ask me to attach the USB drive DURING the initial set-up?

Either works.

You can even boot off your Time Machine drive if you were running a
current version of the OS that is compatible with the new machine
(unlikely with a 2010 though). I did this when I setup my mac mini,
connected the TM drive, booted off of it and simply did a restore from
my previous (dead) system.

At some point it will ask if you want to migrate and will start looking
for devices to migrate from. If you do not have a FW -> Thunderbolt or
Ethernet on the new machine, attaching the drive is the best option.


-- 
Like the moment when the brakes lock/And you slide towards the big
	truck/You stretch the frozen moments with your fear

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#134786

On 2020-11-12, TDH1978 <thedeerhunter1978@movie.uni> wrote:
> I have a 2010 17" MacBook Pro running macOS High Sierra.  I use Apple 
> Mail (pointing to a Gmail IMAP server) for all my emails, Apple Photos 
> for all my pictures and videos, and iTunes for all my music.  Attached 
> to the 2010 MacBook Pro is a 1TB LaCie Porsche Design USB drive which 
> holds all my TimeMachine backups (done incrementally every hour).
>
> I will soon upgrade to the new 2020 13" MacBook Air with the M1 
> processor and running Big Sur, and I would like to transfer all my 
> software and data to the new MacBook Air.  I understand that I will not 
> be able to migrate all the third-party software applications (such as 
> LibreOffice) for now, but my priorities are emails, pictures/videos, 
> music, and documents.
>
>   * Can I transfer everything via Wi-Fi from the 2010 MacBook Pro to 
> the 2020 MacBook Air using the Migration Assistant, without involving 
> the USB drive?
>   * Or do I need to connect the two machines via a cable, like an 
> Ethernet cable?
>   * Or do I need to attach the USB drive to the new 2020 MacBook Air 
> and use TimeMachine Restore?
>   * Is there any chance of data loss/corruption during the migration process?
>   * After the migration, will the iTunes library on the new 2020 
> MacBook Air become the "primary" library?  The old 2010 MacBook Pro 
> will be decommissioned after the migration.
>
> In all my years of using a Mac, I have never used the Migration 
> Assistant, so any help would be appreciated.

Connecting the Time Machine backup drive to the new machine will be the
most reliable way. WiFi would be horribly slow and potentially
error-prone method - avoid that.

Just follow Apple's instructions, and you won't go wrong:

<https://support.apple.com/HT204350>

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#134889

On 2020-11-12 23:44:29 +0000, TDH1978 said:

> I have a 2010 17" MacBook Pro running macOS High Sierra.  I use Apple 
> Mail (pointing to a Gmail IMAP server) for all my emails, Apple Photos 
> for all my pictures and videos, and iTunes for all my music.  Attached 
> to the 2010 MacBook Pro is a 1TB LaCie Porsche Design USB drive which 
> holds all my TimeMachine backups (done incrementally every hour).
> 
> I will soon upgrade to the new 2020 13" MacBook Air with the M1 
> processor and running Big Sur, and I would like to transfer all my 
> software and data to the new MacBook Air.  I understand that I will not 
> be able to migrate all the third-party software applications (such as 
> LibreOffice) for now, but my priorities are emails, pictures/videos, 
> music, and documents.
> 
>   * Can I transfer everything via Wi-Fi from the 2010 MacBook Pro to 
> the 2020 MacBook Air using the Migration Assistant, without involving 
> the USB drive?
>   * Or do I need to connect the two machines via a cable, like an 
> Ethernet cable?
>   * Or do I need to attach the USB drive to the new 2020 MacBook Air 
> and use TimeMachine Restore?
>   * Is there any chance of data loss/corruption during the migration process?
>   * After the migration, will the iTunes library on the new 2020 
> MacBook Air become the "primary" library?  The old 2010 MacBook Pro 
> will be decommissioned after the migration.
> 
> In all my years of using a Mac, I have never used the Migration 
> Assistant, so any help would be appreciated.

Thank you all for your helpful replies.

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