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  Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-09-20 21:42 -0400
    Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> - 2016-09-20 22:29 -0700
      Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-09-21 09:20 -0400
      Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-21 08:05 -0700
        Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-09-21 11:17 -0400
        Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-22 03:31 +0000
          Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Elfin <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:37 -0500
            Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-09-22 11:13 -0500
              Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-22 12:26 -0400
              Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-23 02:25 +0000
          Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2016-09-23 19:50 +0200
      Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-09-22 16:29 -0600
        Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> - 2016-09-22 15:48 -0700
          Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-09-22 21:00 -0400
            Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-09-22 21:51 -0400
              Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-09-22 20:26 -0600
                Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-09-23 10:55 -0400
                  Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> - 2016-09-23 10:11 -0700
                    Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-09-23 13:21 -0400
                    Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2016-09-23 11:45 -0600
                      Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-23 19:01 +0000
                        Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2016-09-23 13:10 -0600
                    Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> - 2016-09-23 18:13 -0700
                    Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-09-24 17:44 -0400
          Caps Lock keys (Was: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID) David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> - 2016-09-22 21:50 -0700
            Re: Caps Lock keys dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-09-23 20:17 +1200
          Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-09-23 20:05 -0500
        Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2016-09-24 01:55 +0000
          Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-24 01:59 +0000
            Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2016-09-27 00:21 +0000
    Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-09-24 09:14 -0400
    Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-09-24 12:31 -0400
      Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-24 16:54 +0000
        Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-09-24 09:57 -0700
        Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-09-24 13:03 -0400
          Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-24 17:40 +0000
            Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-09-24 13:47 -0400
              Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-24 18:14 +0000
                Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-09-24 15:09 -0400
          Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2016-09-27 00:23 +0000
            Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-26 17:51 -0700
              Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-26 20:58 -0400
                Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-09-27 10:57 -0400
                  Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-27 13:10 -0400
                    Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-09-28 10:32 -0400
                      Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-09-29 10:25 +1300
                        Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-09-28 18:40 -0500
                          Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-09-29 13:28 +1300
                  Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2016-09-28 02:28 +0000
                    Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-27 22:30 -0400
                      Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-28 05:06 +0000
                        Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-28 10:30 -0400
                    Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-09-28 10:27 -0400
              Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-09-28 19:12 -0400
            Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-09-28 19:11 -0400
      Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-25 02:56 +0000
        Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-09-25 17:04 -0400
          Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-26 04:37 +0000
            Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-09-26 12:57 -0500
            Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-09-26 18:47 -0400
              Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-27 01:02 +0000
                Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-09-28 19:19 -0400
                  Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-29 00:16 +0000
                    Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-09-28 20:39 -0400
                      Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-29 01:26 +0000
                  Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-09-29 04:25 +0000
              Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID "Mongoose" <mongoose@rikkitikkitavi.com> - 2016-10-03 16:11 -0400
                Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-03 22:52 +0000
                  Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-03 20:20 -0500
          Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID Me, myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> - 2016-09-26 08:52 +0200
    Re: Grrrr! Sierra Screws up (Apple ID or preferences or ....) "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-09-24 20:44 -0500

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#94718

On 2016-09-23, Andre G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
> In article 
><david_ryeburn-3DF349.10112523092016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
>  David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> wrote:
>
>> In article <barmar-B054C0.10552223092016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
>>  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> > Nope, I'm running 10.6 in a VM so I can use MT-NW. I just tested it here 
>> > and I got the icon.
>> 
>> One of several reasons I will soon be running 10.6.8 under 10.11 in a 
>> VM. Another one is Eudora.
>> 
>> Which emulator program are you using? I'd like to try Virtual Box since 
>> it's free, but many people seem to think Parallels is worth the money.
>
> I use Parallels (which, BTW, is virtualization software, not an emulator 
> -- an emulator would be something like SheepShaver). I'm quite happy 
> with it. I currently have VMs with OS 10.5 through 10.12, along with 
> several different Windows versions and a variety of linuces. For some 
> reason Yosemite and Sierra run incredibly slowly when virtualized in 
> parallels, but everything else runs well.
>
> Note that Parallels won't let you run 10.6.x in a VM, but it will let 
> you run 10.6.x server. I suspect the same holds for Fusion, but I'm not 
> sure about Virtual Box.

Both VMware Fusion and Parallels Desktop refuse to run 10.6 client
versions, which means you must purchase 10.6 server to run it.
Virtual Box will allow you to run 10.6 client, but it's up to you to set
it up correctly, and installing software updates to get to 10.6.8 can be
problematic as well.

> My limited experience with virtual box is that it is very unstable, but 
> YMMV.

That's been my experience as well. And in addition to being clunky and
relatively unstable, Virtual Box sorely lacks many integration features,
such as clipboard sharing, and other things that make it harder to work
with guest operating systems compared with Fusion and Desktop. You get
what you pay for. 

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#94719

In article <e4lcfvFr1c9U1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2016-09-23, Andre G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
> > In article 
> ><david_ryeburn-3DF349.10112523092016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
> >  David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <barmar-B054C0.10552223092016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
> >>  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Nope, I'm running 10.6 in a VM so I can use MT-NW. I just tested it here 
> >> > and I got the icon.
> >> 
> >> One of several reasons I will soon be running 10.6.8 under 10.11 in a 
> >> VM. Another one is Eudora.
> >> 
> >> Which emulator program are you using? I'd like to try Virtual Box since 
> >> it's free, but many people seem to think Parallels is worth the money.
> >
> > I use Parallels (which, BTW, is virtualization software, not an emulator 
> > -- an emulator would be something like SheepShaver). I'm quite happy 
> > with it. I currently have VMs with OS 10.5 through 10.12, along with 
> > several different Windows versions and a variety of linuces. For some 
> > reason Yosemite and Sierra run incredibly slowly when virtualized in 
> > parallels, but everything else runs well.
> >
> > Note that Parallels won't let you run 10.6.x in a VM, but it will let 
> > you run 10.6.x server. I suspect the same holds for Fusion, but I'm not 
> > sure about Virtual Box.
> 
> Both VMware Fusion and Parallels Desktop refuse to run 10.6 client
> versions, which means you must purchase 10.6 server to run it.
> Virtual Box will allow you to run 10.6 client, but it's up to you to set
> it up correctly, and installing software updates to get to 10.6.8 can be
> problematic as well.

For the benefit of the OP, it should be pointed out that Snow Leopard 
server currently retails for around $20 (last I checked), so this isn't 
really a major hurdle.

Andre

> > My limited experience with virtual box is that it is very unstable, but 
> > YMMV.
> 
> That's been my experience as well. And in addition to being clunky and
> relatively unstable, Virtual Box sorely lacks many integration features,
> such as clipboard sharing, and other things that make it harder to work
> with guest operating systems compared with Fusion and Desktop. You get
> what you pay for. 
> 
> -- 
> E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
> I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.
> 
> JR

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#94726

Thank you to everyone who commented on virtualization vs. emulation, on 
Virtual Box and it shortcomings, and on the need for Snow Leopard Server 
rather than the usual version of Snow Leopard.

I am aware that without hacks of debatable legality one cannot run the 
usual version of Snow Leopard in a virtual machine but can run the 
Server version (something which makes no sense to me, but perhaps makes 
some lawyers happy). So a while ago, realizing that some fine day I'd 
have to kiss 10.6 good-bye except in a virtual machine, I bought a copy 
of Snow Leopard Server, fearing that if I waited too long Apple might no 
longer let me buy 10.6 Server. It has sat on the shelf ever since.

Incidentally, it cost me CDN$20 (I think plus GST, but nearly everything 
has GST on it here, including items imported from the US). I was about 
to order it from Apple USA and have it shipped to a drop point in the US 
assuming it would be somewhat more expensive up here than would be 
justified on the basis of currency exchange rates, and then I found out 
that it cost $20 in either country. Makes about as much sense as 
allowing 10.6 Server but not plain 10.6!

-- 
David Ryeburn
david_ryeburn@telus.netz
To send e-mail, change "netz" to "net"

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#94750

In article 
<david_ryeburn-3DF349.10112523092016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
 David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> wrote:

> In article <barmar-B054C0.10552223092016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
>  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> > Nope, I'm running 10.6 in a VM so I can use MT-NW. I just tested it here 
> > and I got the icon.
> 
> One of several reasons I will soon be running 10.6.8 under 10.11 in a 
> VM. Another one is Eudora.
> 
> Which emulator program are you using? I'd like to try Virtual Box since 
> it's free, but many people seem to think Parallels is worth the money.

I'm using Virtual Box, because it's free. I don't see the point in 
paying $80/year just to run one this application.

It has some issues, though. There's no clipboard sharing or host 
filesystem access, because they never created Desktop Additions for OS X.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#94705 — Caps Lock keys (Was: Grrrr! Sierra Screwed Apple ID)

In article <1mtzd42.e0y53gq5f6bwN%nmassello@yahoo.com>,
 nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) wrote:

> David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> wrote:
> 
> > Caps Lock key set, with burned-out indicator light? 
> 
> Shouldn't matter. An icon appears in a password entry field to show that
> caps lock is enabled. 

In article 
<david_ryeburn-E36A29.15485522092016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
 David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> wrote:

> Not for me, it doesn't. What
> 
> (a) Operating system
> (b) Web browser
> (c) URL
> 
> behave this way for you?

In article <220920162100470734%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
wrote:

> Every version of Mac OS in my memory works as Mr. Massello described.
> Has aught to do with Web browsers or URLs.

In article <barmar-F8E736.21513222092016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
 Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> But I think it's only the case for system authentication dialogues. When 
> you're entering a password in a web site login form there's no such icon.

Precisely, at least for Mac OS 10.6.8 with Safari, Firefox, SeaMonkey, 
Camino, iCab, Chrome, and Chromium on every web site for which I tried 
it. And the icon does appear when I need my computer log-in password and 
press the Caps Lock key. However:

In article <1mtzv3w.1groleo1bepyxmN%nmassello@yahoo.com>,
 nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) wrote:

> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> I tested it on different web sites in Safari, iCab, and Google Chrome.
> All show the caps lock icon. It's been this way for years. David Ryeburn
> is using MT-NewsWatcher, so he's probably still on 10.6, which might
> predate this feature. 

I suspect that's it. I'll try it under 10.11. (I foolishly never 
downloaded anything 10.7 through 10.10, and now I can't. I vowed not to 
make that mistake again with 10.11, and now I hear I need not have 
rushed.)

-- 
David Ryeburn
david_ryeburn@telus.netz
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#94706 — Re: Caps Lock keys

David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> wrote:

> > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > I tested it on different web sites in Safari, iCab, and Google Chrome.
> > All show the caps lock icon. It's been this way for years. David Ryeburn
> > is using MT-NewsWatcher, so he's probably still on 10.6, which might
> > predate this feature. 
> 
> I suspect that's it. I'll try it under 10.11. (I foolishly never 
> downloaded anything 10.7 through 10.10, and now I can't. I vowed not to
> make that mistake again with 10.11, and now I hear I need not have 
> rushed.)

Probably no longer useful (except in the case of models which cannot
upgrade beyond 10.7), but you can still _buy_ 10.7 and 10.8, from
Apple's online store. They send you a redemption code to use in App
Store.

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/D6106Z/A/os-x-lion
http://www.apple.com/shop/product/D6377Z/A/os-x-mountain-lion

For completeness: Snow Leopard is still available on DVD.

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC573Z/A/mac-os-x-106-snow-leopard

It isn't possible to get 10.9 or 10.10 any more, unless those versions
are already on your Apple ID's purchased list (i.e. you got them before
they were superseded).

In your case, 10.8 might be useful as it can run MT-NewsWatcher (10.9
broke it), but all of 10.6 - 10.8 have the same problem with running out
of web browsers that are still being updated.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#94725

On 09-22-2016 17:48, David Ryeburn wrote:
> In article <1mtzd42.e0y53gq5f6bwN%nmassello@yahoo.com>,
>  nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) wrote:
>
>> David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> wrote:
>>
>>> Caps Lock key set, with burned-out indicator light?
>>
>> Shouldn't matter. An icon appears in a password entry field to show that
>> caps lock is enabled.
>
>
> Not for me, it doesn't. What
>
> (a) Operating system
> (b) Web browser
> (c) URL
>
> behave this way for you?

oops, wrong NG.  Does that on IOS.

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#94727

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 22:29:53 UTC, nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill 
Massello) wrote:

> David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> wrote:
> 
> > Caps Lock key set, with burned-out indicator light? 
> 
> Shouldn't matter. An icon appears in a password entry field to show that
> caps lock is enabled. 
 
That's swell if you're a touch typist but if, like me, you're 
looking at the keyboard then a display on the screen doesn't help 
until after you've made the error and look up. If you're really 
clumsy, you might turn caps lock on and then a few keystrokes later 
turn it off again, leaving no clue as to why the password was 
rejected.

-- 
John Varela

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#94728

On 2016-09-24, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 22:29:53 UTC, nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill 
> Massello) wrote:
>
>> David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> wrote:
>> 
>>> Caps Lock key set, with burned-out indicator light? 
>> 
>> Shouldn't matter. An icon appears in a password entry field to show
>> that caps lock is enabled. 
>  
> That's swell if you're a touch typist but if, like me, you're looking
> at the keyboard then a display on the screen doesn't help until after
> you've made the error and look up. If you're really clumsy, you might
> turn caps lock on and then a few keystrokes later turn it off again,
> leaving no clue as to why the password was rejected.

So don't use keyboards without visual LED indicators for the caps lock
key. It's a simple solution that has worked for me for over a decade.

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#94820

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 01:59:19 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
wrote:

> On 2016-09-24, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 22:29:53 UTC, nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill 
> > Massello) wrote:
> >
> >> David Ryeburn <david_ryeburn@telus.netz> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Caps Lock key set, with burned-out indicator light? 
> >> 
> >> Shouldn't matter. An icon appears in a password entry field to show
> >> that caps lock is enabled. 
> >  
> > That's swell if you're a touch typist but if, like me, you're looking
> > at the keyboard then a display on the screen doesn't help until after
> > you've made the error and look up. If you're really clumsy, you might
> > turn caps lock on and then a few keystrokes later turn it off again,
> > leaving no clue as to why the password was rejected.
> 
> So don't use keyboards without visual LED indicators for the caps lock
> key. It's a simple solution that has worked for me for over a decade.
 
But then I would have to give up my Logitech solar powered 100+ key 
keyboard that I love. Instead I installed Capsy and now (except from
cold start) it beeps when I hit caps lock. Problem solved.

-- 
John Varela

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#94731

On 2016-09-20 21:42, Davoud wrote:
> After entering my Apple ID and password CORRECTLY several times
> FaceTime said I had entered it incorrectly too many times and I had to
> reset it. So I did. Successfully, according to the web page. Then I
> went through the process again--entering it CORRECTLY--and the process
> repeated. Grrrr!

Installed Sierra on my SO's laptop yesterday.  Many settings were lost 
including AppleID, sharing, and others.  But fixed those and there were 
no further issues.  Will be "integrating" her new iPhone 7 with the MBA 
today so a chance to go over all of the settings.

I'll probably update my iMac today and remaining work xMacs during the week.

-- 
She hummed to herself because she was an unrivaled botcher of lyrics.
   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#94733

On 2016-09-20 21:42, Davoud wrote:
> After entering my Apple ID and password CORRECTLY several times
> FaceTime said I had entered it incorrectly too many times and I had to
> reset it. So I did. Successfully, according to the web page. Then I
> went through the process again--entering it CORRECTLY--and the process
> repeated. Grrrr!


Also screwed up my keyboard settings (option and CMD keys).  I don't 
recall this happening on previous installs.  Easily remedied of course.


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#94734

On 2016-09-24, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
> Also screwed up my keyboard settings (option and CMD keys).  I don't 
> recall this happening on previous installs.  Easily remedied of course.

Option and Command? Which settings would those be?

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#94736

On 9/24/16, 9:54 AM, in article e4npe6Fe3djU2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2016-09-24, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Also screwed up my keyboard settings (option and CMD keys).  I don't
>> recall this happening on previous installs.  Easily remedied of course.
> 
> Option and Command? Which settings would those be?

System Preferences > Keyboard > Keyboard Tab > Modifier Keys button

Useful with third party keyboards not made for Macs.

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#94737

On 2016-09-24 12:54, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2016-09-24, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Also screwed up my keyboard settings (option and CMD keys).  I don't
>> recall this happening on previous installs.  Easily remedied of course.
>
> Option and Command? Which settings would those be?

SysPrefs|Keyboard|Modifier Keys.

I use a Logitech keyboard.  With the "default"[?] setting the option and 
CMD keys are reversed.  (The one marked with the MS Windows Start logo / 
option / alt became CMD;   the one marked with the Apple CMD flower etc. 
became the option key).

In past .x updates the prior settings were retained (at least of the 
last few - can't remember all of them).

I've had this keyboard since 2008 or 9 as I've never liked the Apple 
chicklet keyboards.  Though that's what I use at work and I've come to 
"accept" it.

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#94739

On 2016-09-24, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-09-24 12:54, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2016-09-24, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Also screwed up my keyboard settings (option and CMD keys).  I don't
>>> recall this happening on previous installs.  Easily remedied of course.
>>
>> Option and Command? Which settings would those be?
>
> SysPrefs|Keyboard|Modifier Keys.

Ah System Preferences > Keyboard > Keyboard > Modifier Keys. Okay,
thanks.

> I use a Logitech keyboard.  With the "default"[?] setting the option and 
> CMD keys are reversed.  (The one marked with the MS Windows Start logo / 
> option / alt became CMD;   the one marked with the Apple CMD flower etc. 
> became the option key).

Yuck. No thanks.

> In past .x updates the prior settings were retained (at least of the 
> last few - can't remember all of them).

Seems like a setting that should be preserved under normal
circumstances. Perhaps in Sierra Apple changed code in the area of
identifying keyboards and lost the settings as a result.

> I've had this keyboard since 2008 or 9 as I've never liked the Apple 
> chicklet keyboards.  Though that's what I use at work and I've come to 
> "accept" it.

I prefer Apple's keyboard to just about any other because the low travel
and tactile feedback allow me to type faster with less noise and effort.
But then I've been using them almost exclusively for many years.

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#94741

On 2016-09-24 13:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2016-09-24, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2016-09-24 12:54, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2016-09-24, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Also screwed up my keyboard settings (option and CMD keys).  I don't
>>>> recall this happening on previous installs.  Easily remedied of course.
>>>
>>> Option and Command? Which settings would those be?
>>
>> SysPrefs|Keyboard|Modifier Keys.
>
> Ah System Preferences > Keyboard > Keyboard > Modifier Keys. Okay,
> thanks.

If you insist on clarity.  ;-)

>
>> I use a Logitech keyboard.  With the "default"[?] setting the option and
>> CMD keys are reversed.  (The one marked with the MS Windows Start logo /
>> option / alt became CMD;   the one marked with the Apple CMD flower etc.
>> became the option key).
>
> Yuck. No thanks.
>
>> In past .x updates the prior settings were retained (at least of the
>> last few - can't remember all of them).
>
> Seems like a setting that should be preserved under normal
> circumstances. Perhaps in Sierra Apple changed code in the area of
> identifying keyboards and lost the settings as a result.
>
>> I've had this keyboard since 2008 or 9 as I've never liked the Apple
>> chicklet keyboards.  Though that's what I use at work and I've come to
>> "accept" it.
>
> I prefer Apple's keyboard to just about any other because the low travel
> and tactile feedback allow me to type faster with less noise and effort.
> But then I've been using them almost exclusively for many years.

I could say the same.  Just reverse the keyboard types.


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#94744

Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-09-24 13:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> 
>> I prefer Apple's keyboard to just about any other because the low travel
>> and tactile feedback allow me to type faster with less noise and effort.
>> But then I've been using them almost exclusively for many years.
> 
> I could say the same.  Just reverse the keyboard types.

Gonna have to doubt you on the "less noise" and "low travel" parts. To each
his own, of course.

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#94746

On 2016-09-24 14:14, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2016-09-24 13:40, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> I prefer Apple's keyboard to just about any other because the low travel
>>> and tactile feedback allow me to type faster with less noise and effort.
>>> But then I've been using them almost exclusively for many years.
>>
>> I could say the same.  Just reverse the keyboard types.
>
> Gonna have to doubt you on the "less noise" and "low travel" parts. To each
> his own, of course.

Not what I meant.  I like the longer travel.  Agree that it's noisier 
but then that keeps people from bothering me as they know I dislike 
disruption while ... working and they can hear these babies from down 
the hall ...  Yeah, yeah, I'm working and there's no point in mowing the 
lawn now until after the leaves begin to fall, yeah, yeah.

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#94821

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 17:03:20 UTC, Alan Browne 
<alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2016-09-24 12:54, Jolly Roger wrote:
> > On 2016-09-24, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> Also screwed up my keyboard settings (option and CMD keys).  I don't
> >> recall this happening on previous installs.  Easily remedied of course.
> >
> > Option and Command? Which settings would those be?
> 
> SysPrefs|Keyboard|Modifier Keys.
> 
> I use a Logitech keyboard.  With the "default"[?] setting the option and 
> CMD keys are reversed.  (The one marked with the MS Windows Start logo / 
> option / alt became CMD;   the one marked with the Apple CMD flower etc. 
> became the option key).

Logitech makes Mac keyboards too.
 
> In past .x updates the prior settings were retained (at least of the 
> last few - can't remember all of them).
> 
> I've had this keyboard since 2008 or 9 as I've never liked the Apple 
> chicklet keyboards.  Though that's what I use at work and I've come to 
> "accept" it.
> 


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