Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.alt.net From: "James Wilkinson Sword" Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.cellular-phone-tech Subject: Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2017 16:04:15 +0100 Organization: ~ Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: <201703291311387217-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> <57YCA.231023$XG2.99115@fx08.iad> <88%CA.259440$IM7.14144@fx39.iad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (Win32) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.advocacy:406957 sci.physics:627786 alt.privacy.anon-server:58561 comp.sys.mac.system:103754 alt.comp.os.windows-10:38299 alt.cellular-phone-tech:468 On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 15:38:12 +0100, Wolf K wrote: > On 2017-04-03 09:49, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: >> On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 04:53:56 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote: >> >>> On 04/02/2017 02:12 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>>>> That reminds me of the "South Park" show where the (young) workers at a >>>>> cigarette factory were saying "You might get cancer when you're 80 but >>>>> who the hell wants to be 90 anyway". Not the way you'd feel when you're >>>>> 80 already. >>>> >>>> A short happy life is better than a long dull one. >>>> >>> >>> You have not yet shown anything "happy" about a stinky fire hazard that >>> causes cancer. >> >> CAN cause cancer, at the choice of the smoker, who is clearly enjoying the immediate effects of it. It's why they smoke. > > Actually, the most common smoking-caused death is by heart attack. > Anecdote: > A doc I knew did some professional brush-up at the Mayo Clinic's cardiac > unit in Chicago. This was about 35 years ago. He told me that if the > incoming patient was under 50, the intern/resident never asked "Do you > smoke?" They always asked "How much do you smoke?." The three weeks my > acquaintance was there, no patient claimed they didn't smoke. Odd, I thought it was the lungs it damaged. >>> Also, I have been in a cancer treatment facility, and many of the >>> patients had lung cancer. Some of them had to breathe through holes in >>> their throats. Most of these people were not that old. >> >> You see the few with problems, most don't have problems. Anyway it was THEIR choice. > > _You_ see "the few". But you're only 41, you haven't lived long enough > to see most of them. Actually my work involves meeting a lot of elderly people. Sure, they have problems, but not smoking-related ones. Mostly it's dodgy joints. > Most smokers have health problems. Heart attacks. > Cancers (NB plural). COPD. Vascular problems, especially in the > extremities. leading to nerve damage. Stroke. Impotence. Etc. The fact > is, smoking does shorten life, and reduces the fun, too. And once you're > addicted, "choice" is no longer the right word. Addiction is all in the mind. My colleague stopped smoking in the course of ONE WEEK when he had a child and his wife insisted they didn't have money for both. > FTR, I quit smoking 44 years ago. It took me three tries over four > years. I finally quite when I realised that (at today's prices here) I > was spending over $300 a month on it. Then grow your own. Tobacco is a plant isn't it? -- "It was reported last week that a citizen's group is trying to remove porn channels from hotels across the country." "The group is called the Coalition of People Who Want to Ruin Everything."