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Re: Mac pro got an update

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On 2017-04-07 10:53, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2017-04-07, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2017-04-06 12:47, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <1n420v1.beso5q162wa4nN%nmassello@yahoo.com>, Neill Massello
>>> <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, Macs have never been very hospitable to CPU upgrades, but at
>>>> least you could replace their hard drives and RAM. Even the early
>>>> 1990s models with soldered-in RAM usually had a slot or two for
>>>> additional SIMMs.
>>>
>>> few people bothered to upgrade components (those days are *long*
>>> gone), so there's no point in offering a feature that won't get used.
>>>
>>> soldering memory is more reliable and less expensive to manufacture,
>>> something people value far more than the possibility of adding memory
>>> at some future date when they never actually do it.
>>
>> Funny, my SO's previous MBA died at less than 4 years with its
>> soldered memory - and it was the memory that died.  So much for that
>> horseshit.
>
> Yep.
>
> So what did you do about it? How much did it cost you in the end? If the
> RAM had been user-serviceable, you could have replaced the bad stick for
> a few bucks.

Actually is it was the solder joints that failed - I misstated that 
above.  Attempted re-flow which worked for a while (2 months).

I've never heard of solder joints failing on RAM mounts (cue he who 
knows of every edge case in the universe).

>
>>>> My complaint about the trend in Apple desktops is less that you
>>>> can't *upgrade* the components to bigger/better/faster but that you
>>>> can't easily *replace* components, most notably drives, that tend to
>>>> die before the machine becomes hopelessly obsolete. This is
>>>> especially important in an era in which, as you pointed out, the
>>>> rate of obsolescence has slowed down.
>>>
>>> ssds are *extremely* reliable and will greatly outlast the computer
>>> they're in. some ssds have as much as a *ten* year warranty.
>>>
>>> and then there's performance. a removable ssd is almost certainly
>>> going to be slower than one that's integrated into the logic board.
>>
>> Horseshit.  Properly integrated there is no advantage over solder to a
>> connector (think RAM - that's bloody fast).  The only advantage to
>> soldering is volume.  Not a consideration for a desktop that will make
>> any real difference.
>
> And the obvious drawback is if the SSD does go bad (or if you outgrow
> its capacity), you can't replace it without having to resolder a new one
> (assuming you have the tools and skill, or pay someone to do it for
> you), or replace the entire motherboard (which is obviously very
> costly). Neither is as good a solution for the owner of the machine as
> simply swapping out an SSD with a new one. And dragging an external boot
> drive around with your MacBook is an untenable "solution" for obvious
> reasons. It really seems like the biggest beneficiary of soldered-on
> parts like RAM and SSDs is Apple - at their customers' expense.
>
> This is a trend I really wish Apple would discontinue. But then, I'm a
> professional user, and we don't make up a large portion of Apple's
> market. Many people just don't know any better. We can only hope with
> Apple's latest communication to professional users, they truly are
> listening to our complaints. Time will tell...

I truly think Apple's obsession with thinness, style and manufacturing 
cost (not in any order) are detrimental to the product and to its users.

My iMac is a an example: the HD lies within a few mm of the back shell. 
But to get at it requires ordering a screen seal (iFixIt) and then an 
odyssey of disassembly.  This machine is a 5 y old model.  I may want to 
SSD it sometime in the next 2 years to give it a small boost.  That day 
will be long.

Desktop machines do not have to be bleeding edge thin or small at the 
sacrifice of simple maintenance.  At least the memory ports on the iMac 
are accessible - I could bump this machine from 24 to 32 GB in a jiffy 
(just no real need to do so).

-- 
"If war is God's way of teaching Americans geography, then
recession is His way of teaching everyone a little economics."
   ..Raj Patel, The Value of Nothing.

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  Re: Mac pro got an update Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2017-04-05 23:48 +0100
    Re: Mac pro got an update android <here@there.was> - 2017-04-06 04:25 +0200
  Re: Mac pro got an update Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-04-05 19:05 -0400
    Re: Mac pro got an update nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2017-04-05 21:24 -0600
      Re: Mac pro got an update nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-05 23:39 -0400
        Re: Mac pro got an update Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-04-06 14:30 -0400
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        Re: Mac pro got an update Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-04-06 15:30 +0000
        Re: Mac pro got an update nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2017-04-06 10:13 -0600
          Re: Mac pro got an update nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-06 12:47 -0400
            Re: Mac pro got an update JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-04-06 13:12 -0400
            Re: Mac pro got an update Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-04-06 19:28 +0100
            Re: Mac pro got an update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-04-06 19:25 +0000
            Re: Mac pro got an update Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-04-07 03:32 +0000
            Re: Mac pro got an update Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-04-07 09:23 -0400
              Re: Mac pro got an update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-04-07 14:53 +0000
                Re: Mac pro got an update JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-04-07 13:45 -0400
                Re: Mac pro got an update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-04-07 17:47 +0000
                Re: Mac pro got an update nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2017-04-07 12:27 -0600
                Re: Mac pro got an update nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-07 14:31 -0400
                Re: Mac pro got an update JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-04-07 16:23 -0400
                Re: Mac pro got an update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-04-07 20:34 +0000
                Re: Mac pro got an update nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2017-04-07 16:42 -0600
                Re: Mac pro got an update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-04-07 23:05 +0000
                Re: Mac pro got an update JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-04-07 20:28 -0400
                Re: Mac pro got an update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-04-08 00:57 +0000
                Re: Mac pro got an update Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-04-08 14:06 +0000
                Re: Mac pro got an update JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-04-08 14:05 -0400
                Re: Mac pro got an update nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-08 14:21 -0400
                Re: Mac pro got an update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-04-08 18:29 +0000
                Re: Mac pro got an update Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-04-09 14:34 +0000
                Re: Mac pro got an update JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-04-09 13:52 -0400
                Re: Mac pro got an update Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-04-09 18:27 +0000
                Re: Mac pro got an update nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-07 19:59 -0400
                Re: Mac pro got an update JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-04-07 20:31 -0400
                Re: Mac pro got an update nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-07 20:38 -0400
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                Re: Mac pro got an update nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-07 16:36 -0400
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                Re: Mac pro got an update Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-04-08 09:35 -0400
  Re: Mac pro got an update Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-04-07 03:24 +0000

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