Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Arno Welzel Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android Subject: Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 09:36:39 +0200 Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: <7u5lblxjel.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <6rhvblxb0d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net dJfWJW8++WUKSVsW84i5eQ21XR9jf12L/Yqs2GSXbPSCA+Vph1 Cancel-Lock: sha1:2JnRSygcs9yo0LjPzDNu96Wv72Q= sha256:vNDOucPmlnAdVgRQym9oRXlBqs7YNyYEYTs1S8Gfy80= Content-Language: en-US, de-DE In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.system:145489 alt.os.linux:81346 alt.comp.os.windows-10:183525 comp.mobile.android:147750 Marion, 2025-04-09 22:43: > On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 12:35:58 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote : > > >>> The *reason* you can't re-use Apple IPAs is Apple locks the downloaded >>> software to a specific unique Apple ID so that it can only be installed on >>> devices with that specific unique Apple ID. >> >> Yes - so what? Nobody will or can even copy installer files from one >> iPhone or iPad to another to get them re-used with a different Apple ID. > > What we're all trying to do is learn how the various systems work. > > The original question was what was *different* & whether it was good or > bad, where what's different with iOS is Apple locks every installer to you. Yes - and? If you can not copy installer files anyway, what's the matter then if they get bound to a specific AppleID? > If you happen to have installed on your Android the last known good version > of any given app, you can re-install that app on *billions* of Androids. Yes, *if* you have the APK files. Google Play itself does not provide the option to install older versions - you can only download the latest version of an app which available for your device. And if your device is too old some apps may even not be available any longer, because the publishers decided not to support older Android versions etc. > The point not being the sheer number but the fact it's unrestricted re-use. > However... that same scenario won't work for iOS owners. And that's bad. For iOS owners many other things don't work the same way. If you don't like that, just don't use it. Problem solved. > Even an iTunes "backup" of that last known good version of an app does not > contain a re-usable IPA to that last known good version of that iOS app. Yes, the same as in Android. Android backups do not backup everything and apps installer files will not be backed up at all, just the list which app should be installed. > The app backup only contains garbage such as meta data & app data. > But the app backup (even with iTunes) does NOT contain the full ipa file. The same applies to Android. > The Apple user is always fucked by Apple. > > Every other operating system allows the user to re-install the last known > good version after a factory reset (or crash, or whatever)... except Apple. Nope. Android does not allow to do this either if you do not manually extract APK files. And even then you can not be sure of the APK file works on another device because the publisher uses AAB for publishing. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de