Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: vallor Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android Subject: Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Date: 8 Apr 2025 22:55:30 GMT Lines: 69 Message-ID: References: <7u5lblxjel.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <6rhvblxb0d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net xsoPeL8gg1qW0QF4kcT3XAsN1WE1yGpu6gBB7LmRpW8GMRy9bT Cancel-Lock: sha1:2G7C+4bHYIdLd4FuRKSCyEJIMk0= sha256:d+cFi7LHUXGRQrYAg3dWrIBtA45RIz/XVakL8YEzwug= X-Face: +McU)#<-H?9lTb(Th!zR`EpVrp<0)1p5CmPu.kOscy8LRp_\u`:tW;dxPo./(fCl CaKku`)]}.V/"6rISCIDP` User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Hmm4; f7d29671; Linux-6.14.1) Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.system:145463 alt.os.linux:81320 alt.comp.os.windows-10:183395 comp.mobile.android:147704 On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 09:42:51 -0700, Alan wrote in : > On 2025-04-08 04:06, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-04-08 11:19, Daniel70 wrote: >>> On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote: >>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >>>> >>>>>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but >>>>>> when distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific >>>>>> Apple ID. >>>>>> >>>>>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is >>>>>> free. >>>>>> Only Apple. >>>>> >>>>> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software. >>>>> >>>>> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it up. >>>>> You claim to be clever. Be it. >>>>> >>>>>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to >>>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> I don't care who does it. >>>> >>>> The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software that >>>> no other operating system locks is the technical point that matters >>>> here. >>>> >>>> That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every >>>> type. >>>> No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only Apple >>>> does. >>>> >>>> That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that. >>>> >>>> That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you. >>>> And that's what's bad. >>>> >>> Am I mis-reading what is being posted here?? >>> >>> Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple >>> locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not >>> locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems. >>> >>> Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted?? >> >> No, I am saying nothing about the lock. I don't care, I don't have any >> Apple. >> >> What I say is that if there is a lock, the Apple software may be >> gratis, >> but it is not Free (as in Freedom). Free means I am free to take the >> source code, remove the lock, recompile, and sell it myself. With >> variants in the details by the licensing. >> >> > Carlos, you personally don't get to decide for the world what the word > "free" means. > > Sorry to burst your bubble on this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.1 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "Let's organize this thing and take all the fun out of it."