Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jolly Roger Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Mac pro got an update Date: 7 Apr 2017 14:53:23 GMT Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: <58e54a78$0$13189$c3e8da3$cc4fe22d@news.astraweb.com> <1n411sa.17m1qf483epr0N%nmassello@yahoo.com> <58e5cb37$0$23456$b1db1813$7968482@news.astraweb.com> <1n420v1.beso5q162wa4nN%nmassello@yahoo.com> <060420171247529391%nospam@nospam.invalid> X-Trace: individual.net PDVB1c58RQ1mL0iJiVZPAQLpthoWuGrgwAkeQdDXaclx20F/hS Cancel-Lock: sha1:mLRriqrW7pwEJcu150bVEpGQnyk= Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (Darwin) Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.system:103632 On 2017-04-07, Alan Browne wrote: > On 2017-04-06 12:47, nospam wrote: >> In article <1n420v1.beso5q162wa4nN%nmassello@yahoo.com>, Neill Massello >> wrote: >> >>> Well, Macs have never been very hospitable to CPU upgrades, but at >>> least you could replace their hard drives and RAM. Even the early >>> 1990s models with soldered-in RAM usually had a slot or two for >>> additional SIMMs. >> >> few people bothered to upgrade components (those days are *long* >> gone), so there's no point in offering a feature that won't get used. >> >> soldering memory is more reliable and less expensive to manufacture, >> something people value far more than the possibility of adding memory >> at some future date when they never actually do it. > > Funny, my SO's previous MBA died at less than 4 years with its > soldered memory - and it was the memory that died. So much for that > horseshit. Yep. So what did you do about it? How much did it cost you in the end? If the RAM had been user-serviceable, you could have replaced the bad stick for a few bucks. >>> My complaint about the trend in Apple desktops is less that you >>> can't *upgrade* the components to bigger/better/faster but that you >>> can't easily *replace* components, most notably drives, that tend to >>> die before the machine becomes hopelessly obsolete. This is >>> especially important in an era in which, as you pointed out, the >>> rate of obsolescence has slowed down. >> >> ssds are *extremely* reliable and will greatly outlast the computer >> they're in. some ssds have as much as a *ten* year warranty. >> >> and then there's performance. a removable ssd is almost certainly >> going to be slower than one that's integrated into the logic board. > > Horseshit. Properly integrated there is no advantage over solder to a > connector (think RAM - that's bloody fast). The only advantage to > soldering is volume. Not a consideration for a desktop that will make > any real difference. And the obvious drawback is if the SSD does go bad (or if you outgrow its capacity), you can't replace it without having to resolder a new one (assuming you have the tools and skill, or pay someone to do it for you), or replace the entire motherboard (which is obviously very costly). Neither is as good a solution for the owner of the machine as simply swapping out an SSD with a new one. And dragging an external boot drive around with your MacBook is an untenable "solution" for obvious reasons. It really seems like the biggest beneficiary of soldered-on parts like RAM and SSDs is Apple - at their customers' expense. This is a trend I really wish Apple would discontinue. But then, I'm a professional user, and we don't make up a large portion of Apple's market. Many people just don't know any better. We can only hope with Apple's latest communication to professional users, they truly are listening to our complaints. Time will tell... -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR