Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.albasani.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Lloyd Parsons Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:09:35 -0500 Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <7699542da7f01f1304183cf9c297a669@dizum.com> <220320171717148631%nospam@nospam.invalid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net vwxxnBi+DVQHiKAW1X/8BAdAWpBO+P6NGXIS2YrxWIj+DgjnCz Cancel-Lock: sha1:O6SnUbB9NarB5sLh3Sk5vi6lU78= User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.system:102960 On 2017-03-24 16:36:23 +0000, Jolly Roger said: > On 2017-03-24, Lloyd Parsons wrote: >> On 2017-03-24 14:06:23 +0000, Lewis said: >>> In message Lloyd Parsons >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Most decent home espresso machines are set at 200F by default. >>> >>> I'm not sure about "most". There are some very crappy makers that are >>> sold at places like Target. Real espresso machines are extremely rare in >>> the home. >> >> There are a few types sold in department stores like Target. One is >> the 'steam' models, bottom of the line, cheap and really don't work >> well at all. The next up use thermoblock heaters with how well that >> works being all over the place. Lower priced department store models >> not so good, some more upscale being very good. Usually the >> thermoblock machines are dual-temp, one temp for brewing, a higher one >> for steam. >> >> Breville makes some decent ones with thermoblock heater, and there are others. >> >> These are the ones you see often as bridal gifts or bought by those >> that really just want to get a 'starbucks experience' without hocking >> the farm. > > Breville's Barista Express (~$600) seems to fit into this slot. We've > had one at home for six years now, and use it almost daily - several > times a day when we do use it. It has a built-in grinder with adjustable > grind size and dose settings, automatic digital temperature controlled > water and pressure controls that allow you to override with your own > settings. It'll brew espresso in automated fashion or manually if you > prefer to control the grind size, grind dose, temperature, shot volume, > and so on (or any combination) yourself. It puts our nearly perfect > espresso every single time. We love the machine; and the espresso that > comes out of it is *far* better than what you get at most any fast > espresso shop - even better ones than Starbucks, which has the bar set > really low, IMHO. Highly recommended for those who want a good espresso > at home without the snobbish elite prices. : ) That is a decent one, but in the 'snobs' circle, the grinder is considered a weak point with many that have tried it finding it not so good at getting the grind just right. I have the Breville Infuser which is the same machine without grinder. I use it for my road trip machine coupled with the excellent Breville Smart Grinder Pro.