Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject	Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac
Date	2016-11-15 02:51 +0000
Organization	People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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On 2016-11-15, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2016-11-14 19:18, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2016-11-14, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2016-11-14 11:48, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> If Apple are adding a delay
>>>>
>>>> You are the one claiming Apple adds a delay. What I see is that
>>>> Apple figures out where you are on the fly and makes sure that's
>>>> where you get the message as quickly as possible, while other
>>>> devices get the message on a more lazy schedule (whenever the
>>>> device happens to get the message, and whenever the device decides
>>>> to display it).
>>>
>>> That's why I say "if".  And the evidence says "probably".
>>
>> Uh huh. Get back to us when you have real proof. Until then you are
>> assumed to be neither right or wrong but just spewing hot air.
>
> So that it does so is acceptable when it supports your argument but
> not so when I say "if" or "probably".

I said no such thing, liar. The way it works is acceptable to me - no
matter what. What I said was until you prove what you are saying, you
are assumed to be full of shit. So you are full of shit until you prove
your assertion - plain and simple.

>>> Otherwise why would the iPhone receiving the SMS (the first possible
>>> device to receive an SMS) delay the ping?  There is no reason to do
>>> so.
>>
>> The reason is the obvious one you refuse to accept: You aren't using
>> that device at the time. Your refusal to accept it doesn't mean it is
>> non-existent.
>
> So why does it ping there at all?

Because people want to have all of their messages on all of their
devices. Duh. If I receive a message on my phone, and later sit down in
the office at my Mac, I want all of the messages I received to show up -
and they do. I couldn't care less that the message first appeared on my
iPad because I was actually using it, but took a few moments to appear
on my other devices. As long as they are there when I do actually use
those other devices, I'm happy. But you aren't happy with it for some
so-far unexplained reason. Until you explain it, you're full of shit as
far as I'm concerned.

> It does eventually - 30 or so seconds later - might as well do it in
> realtime.

Displaying a message on a device you aren't using before displaying it
on a device you are actually using serves no purpose as far as I can
see. You and your friend JF Mezei been able to offer a single actual
benefit other than "just because". Why do you care how quickly a message
appears on a device you aren't even using, as long as it's there when
you actually do pick up the device later on? Just because isn't good
enough for me. Sorry.

>>> Ping there while sending it on to the iMessage system is much
>>> simpler and logical.
>>
>> There's no point in displaying a message (which means waking the
>> screen and potentially playing a sound) on a device that is not in
>> use when the user is known to be actively using another device. You
>> have yet to provide a reasonable explanation as to why anyone would
>> actually want that.
>
> But the message pings there and lights up the screen in any case 30
> seconds or so later. 

So what? The point is you get the message on the device you are *using*
first. Why do you care about devices you aren't using?

> Talk about logic fails!

Judging by your contributions to this thread, you don't seem to have a
very firm grasp on logic.

> Might as well do it immediately.

When you aren't using another device, it *does* display on the phone
immediately. Why you care so much about what happens on a device you
aren't even using is inexplicable. You certainly haven't been able to
offer a compelling reason in this thread.

>>>>> Design fail.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. Only in your upside down bizzarro world. For reasonable
>>>> people who aren't trolling, Apple's messaging design works
>>>> beautifully. We never have to worry about not getting messages,
>>>> because Apple consistently delivers them to us wherever we are and
>>>> whatever we are doing. And that is what *truly* matters. Logic fail
>>>> for you.
>>>
>>> Logic fail?  How?
>>
>> See above.
>
> None in view.

Then you should take your silly blinders off - or just get used to the
fact that you've blinded yourself.

>>> By stating that the messages should go to all devices as soon as
>>> possible w/o delay?
>>
>> Explain why messages should be displayed on a device you are not
>> using when Apple knows you are using a different device.
>>
>> This should be good. : )
>
> Explain why delay it in the first place.

Uh huh. Can't answer the question, I see. The reason you can't explain
why you care about messages immediately displaying on devices you aren't
using is because there is no good reason. You are full of shit.

> Apple putting in delays is just complexity that is not needed.

Wrong. Most of us actually appreciate the fact that SMS messages appear
on the device we are using as quickly as possible.  We want it. We need
it. And your silly argument against it due to nebulous "complexity" or
"just because" won't change it. Offer a good reason. Or if you can't,
we're done here.

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JR

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SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-12 14:30 -0500
  Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-12 20:18 +0000
    Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-12 15:39 -0500
      Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-12 20:46 +0000
        Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-12 16:07 -0500
          Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-12 22:16 +0000
            Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-12 17:55 -0500
            Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-13 11:47 -0500
              Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-13 13:55 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-13 13:57 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-13 14:00 -0500
              Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-13 19:58 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-13 18:13 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-14 01:55 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-13 23:27 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-14 05:25 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 16:26 +1100
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-14 07:16 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-14 09:19 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-14 16:48 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-14 13:09 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-14 18:44 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-14 19:58 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 03:05 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-15 08:32 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 16:04 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-15 18:05 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-15 23:48 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-15 18:56 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 23:50 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-15 19:00 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-16 13:35 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 16:29 +1100
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 10:31 +1100
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-14 20:00 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 03:09 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-15 04:48 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 16:34 +1100
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-15 00:51 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 20:43 +1100
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 17:14 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-15 14:24 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2016-11-15 11:32 -0800
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-15 14:54 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-16 06:59 +1100
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-15 17:11 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 22:25 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-15 23:45 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-16 11:14 +1100
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 19:38 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-15 23:43 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 23:55 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-17 16:05 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-17 23:13 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-17 23:41 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-18 07:37 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-19 00:28 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-19 05:32 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-19 21:54 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-20 00:47 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-19 00:25 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 10:48 +1100
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-18 03:21 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-18 03:23 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-15 23:43 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-14 18:35 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 00:18 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-14 19:43 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-11-14 17:04 -0800
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 02:55 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 02:51 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-15 08:30 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Pat <pat@nospam.us> - 2016-11-15 10:29 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 16:11 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-15 18:05 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 16:07 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-15 18:06 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 23:52 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-15 19:17 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-16 00:45 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-15 22:34 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-16 04:12 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 06:16 +1100
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-16 13:40 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 16:33 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-15 18:06 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 23:53 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-17 16:04 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-17 23:05 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 10:47 +1100
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-15 23:47 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-15 18:55 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-16 13:38 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-16 19:09 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 23:55 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-11-17 16:01 -0500
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-17 22:45 +0000
                Re: SMS "pings" on iPhone long after received on Mac "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 10:42 +1100
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