Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jolly Roger Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware,comp.sys.mac.system,alt.hacker,alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: "Unhackable" Apple Confirms Malware-Infected Apps Found And Removed From Its Chinese App Store Date: 25 Sep 2015 04:58:55 GMT Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates Lines: 75 Message-ID: References: <220920150315428842%nospam@nospam.invalid> <91777a714f0d3c05732c6cc8035a09ba@remailer.cpunk.us> <220920151252101796%nospam@nospam.invalid> <220920152128268439%michelle@michelle.org> <220920152224189621%michelle@michelle.org> <230920150841382109%michelle@michelle.org> <230920151950041296%nospam@nospam.invalid> <230920152007454989%nospam@nospam.invalid> <230920152020492033%nospam@nospam.invalid> <240920151933313840%nospam@nospam.invalid> <240920152358107078%nospam@nospam.invalid> X-Trace: individual.net 0y4H5ZXTggkyAbGut81mOgl2i3j92+DB3+LJICiFA6AsSO47CW Cancel-Lock: sha1:yf2OurossOjYSDscjCF/KzGCWIY= X-Face: _.g>n!a$f3/H3jA]>9pN55*5<`}Tud57>1Y%b|b-Y~()~\t,LZ3e up1/bO{=-) User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (Darwin) Xref: csiph.com alt.comp.freeware:243902 comp.sys.mac.system:80566 alt.hacker:8305 alt.privacy.anon-server:45451 comp.os.linux.advocacy:322863 On 2015-09-25, Nobody wrote: > On 9/24/2015 10:58 PM, nospam wrote: >> In article , Nobody >> wrote: >> >>>>> Now you finally got to the real reason behind all of this, and it has >>>>> nothing to do with stealing music or Apple's obligation to the record >>>>> companies. >>>> >>>> Wrong. It has everything to do with obligations to record companies. >>>> It was the record companies who forced Apple to create the DRM and >>>> ensure that the DRM was not circumvented or hacked, which is exactly >>>> what Real Networks did. >>> >>> Real Networks had agreements with the record companies too. They didn't >>> pirate music, and any "hacking" was just to get their player onto Apple >>> devices. >> >> the problem is that nobody bought their product, so they got desperate. > > If nobody bought their product, Apple would have had nothing to remove. It's obvious to me he used the term figuratively. Were there people who bought Real Networks DRM music? Sure. Was that number significant compared to Apple's customers? Not a chance. At the time, Apple's commanded an estimated 82% of music download sales in the United States, while Real Networks had a paltry 5%. Those of us who were actually around back then know from experience that Real was already irrelevant when they pulled this stunt. > Are you really unable to see the implications of your own words? Ask yourself that question some time. ; ) >> it also wast't about getting their player onto apple devices, which >> they could easily do for ios, but that their *music* had bogus drm. > > So one time you're saying Apple doesn't care about pirated music, > doesn't care about DRM, He never said Apple doesn't care about DRM - you added that. Apparently you are unable to distinguish between pirated music without DRM and protected music with hacked illegitimate DRM. You seem to think they are the same thing or something. Of course they aren't. Silly you. > and the next moment you're calling out "bogus DRM." You're losing > track of your double-speak... Nah, you just can't comprehend plain English, apparently. >>>>> Apple needed to block a competitor to iTunes. >>>> >>>> Real Networks was hardly a competitor to Apple. Apple's iPods and iTunes >>>> effectively made Real Networks irrelevant, which is why they hacked >>>> FairPay to make their music appear to be Apple's. >>> >>> Why do you keep telling that lie? RealPlayer wasn't pretending to be >>> Apple! They were just trying to get their Player onto the iPod so they >>> could compete! >> >> their music was pretending to have come from apple, which was the >> entire problem. > > Bullshit! They had there own player, and their own DL files. They > didn't "pretend to have come from Apple." Wrong. It's *exactly* what they did. They added hacked FairPlay DRM to their audio files, and even used Apple's name in the DRM metadata of Real Network music files. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR