Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Lloyd Parsons Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,misc.phone.mobile.iphone Subject: Re: OT: The other Apple Drive Date: 20 Sep 2015 15:51:08 GMT Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <55fc9149$0$43521$b1db1813$e2fc9064@news.astraweb.com> <2015091816195071006-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> <55fca3aa$0$4204$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com> <55fcf294$0$31272$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com> <55fd8a37$0$9124$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com> <190920151324165294%michelle@michelle.org> <2015091913523683137-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> <200920150943596649%YourName@YourISP.com> <190920151652405578%michelle@michelle.org> <2015091917103025235-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> <200920151408511033%YourName@YourISP.com> <55fe3124$0$6343$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com> <2015092008054927544-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net G13cwiI04XzRHV+7/Y7Y/QFbMPGTG726hPFcJssWdmgEvEECRX Cancel-Lock: sha1:D+zw2ciy5k0TfCnGMvcatLn+Bjg= User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.system:80033 misc.phone.mobile.iphone:78090 On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 08:05:49 -0700, Savageduck wrote: > On 2015-09-20 14:58:32 +0000, Lloyd Parsons said: > >> On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 14:44:42 +0000, Lewis wrote: >> >>> In message >>> Lloyd Parsons wrote: >>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 10:23:34 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: >>> >>>>> On 2015-09-20 00:08, JF Mezei wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, that is an issue. However, it is easier to make a coal fired >>>>>> power plant "cleaner" than making 1000 gasoline/diesel cars >>>>>> cleaner. >>>>> >>>>> No. It isn't. There is no such thing as a clean coal burning >>>>> plant. >>>>> It is a marketing label used assuage lawmakers. There are "cleaner" >>>>> plants and "dirtier" plants but there are absolutely no clean coal >>>>> plants. >>> >>>> Which is exactly what was said. Note the 'cleaner' in the post?? >>> >>> But cars are *very* clean. The exhaust coming out of my 2006 (that is >>> to say, not new) is clean enough to breath. That old trope of killing >>> yourself by breathing the car exhaust hasn't worked in at least 20 >>> years, and the exhaust from my 10 year-old car is indistinguishable to >>> my nose from the normal air. >>> >>> The vast majority of the remaining vehicle production is caused by: >>> >>> 1) Large vehicles (semis, garbage trucks, industrial vehicles) >>> 2) Vehicles that have been intentionally modified to be dirty 3) Old >>> vehicles 4) Badly maintained vehicles >>> >>> (and pretty much in that order) >>> >>> Of course, if you go to third world countries, those vehicles are >>> still emitting pollution like it's 1965, especially in China where >>> there is (effectively) no regulation about emissions at all. >> >> No, that exhaust is not suitable for breathing unless you can figure >> out how to survive on CO2! :) > > Actually the killer is CO, carbon monoxide, not CO2, carbon dioxide. Both will kill you. -- Lloyd