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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

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On 5/4/17, 1:48 PM, in article op.yzqeqluwjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:

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>>>> I accept science and the data / evidence that backs it and deny the
>>>> anti-science nonsense people use to promote socialism for the rich. I did
>>>> not know you were one of the ones pushing such socialism. For me it is fine
>>>> that people disagree on if we should socialize the costs of using ancient
>>>> stores of carbon, but I wish those who pushed for us to do so would be
>>>> direct and admit that is what they are pushing for. The fact they use
>>>> science denial to get to that goal shows they cannot really support the
>>>> socialism they are backing.
>>> 
>>> It's nothing to do with socialism.
>> 
>> Socializing the costs of using ancient stores of carbon clearly has a LOT to
>> do with socialism... though it is for the rich.
> 
> Who said they were socialized?  Carbon credits hit COMPANIES.

Right now the cost of using these ancient stores of carbon are not paid for
by those who use the carbon. Society as a whole ends up paying... the denial
of climate science is just another way of pushing benefits for the wealthy
(the ones who get the most from this denial).

>>> In fact it's the capitalists who "deny" climate change.  It's the left wing
>>> greenie treehuggers who think we have the power to change the climate more
>>> than that huge nuclear reaction in the sky.
>> 
>> Who do you think said man-made global climate change has a bigger impact
>> than the sun?
> 
> The greenie morons, like I just said.  Please learn to read basic English.

So far you are the only person I know who has even suggested such a thing.
Do you have any quote to back it. I think we can safely say you do not.

>> Comes down to you will go to science denial to back socialism for the rich.
> 
> I prefer common sense over what anyone says.  The FACT is that the climate has
> ALWAYS changed NATURALLY in the past.  I see no evidence mankind has altered
> that.

The implication of noting climate has changed in the past is that current
models do not account for that -- and that is completely and utterly
incorrect. If you had another reason for mentioning it I would love to hear
it.

As far as what you see, that is not relevant. I am speaking of the evidence
and data and support shown by the science. Your ignorance of science does
not reduce the science in the slightest.

>> That is pretty much 100% predictable in such conversations. Could be you do
>> not even know you are doing this... some are actually naïve enough to
>> believe the oil industry and the like who push such nonsense.
> 
> I believe what makes sense.

I look to science (evidence, data, reason, peer review, etc.) and you accept
what is basically a religious viewpoint, based on nothing but faith. Fair
enough. Neither of us is going to change the other's mind and I think you
have a right to your religion.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 17:42 +0100
  Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 10:39 -0700
    Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 19:10 +0100
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 11:22 -0700
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 20:01 +0100
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 12:19 -0700
            Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 20:38 +0100
              Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 12:45 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 21:48 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 14:34 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-04 17:40 -0400
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 22:52 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 16:10 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 15:25 -0700

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