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Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution)

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
Subject Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution)
Date 2017-04-24 12:48 -0700
Message-ID <D523A4B1.A1830%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
References (13 earlier) <op.yy6ag70ejs98qf@red.lan> <9MmLA.36316$i_1.9797@fx35.iad> <D523854D.A1797%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <W8sLA.150621$7%3.99475@fx33.iad> <twsLA.18453$lj7.12809@fx25.iad>

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On 4/24/17, 12:40 PM, in article twsLA.18453$lj7.12809@fx25.iad, "Wolf K"
<wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> On 2017-04-24 15:15, Mark Lloyd wrote:
>> On 04/24/2017 12:34 PM, Snit wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> I know a number of people who work with kids who do this... especially those
>>> who follow a few different educational philosophies. I know Waldorf is big
>>> on this (not that I am big on Waldorf!)
>> 
>> As to pronunciation, in 6th grade there was a student teacher trying to
>> teach something called "code 78" (apparently, the thing normally called
>> "phonics". I think there were supposed to be 78 sounds in English.).
>> 
>> When pronouncing a consonant sound you have to include a vowel sound,
>> but I try to de-emphasize it (since it doesn't really belong).
> 
> That depends on the consonant. The difference between /b/ and /p/ is
> that /b/ is voiced and /p/ isn't: compare bile/pile, or mob/mop. That
> teacher was either badly trained, or you missed something in what she
> taught.

To make things more confusing, the McGurk Effect show visual cues can alter
how we hear the B and F sounds.

    <https://youtu.be/G-lN8vWm3m0>

It is just freaky.

>>  That
>> teacher went the other way, making it like "bUHH" (much more emphasis on
>> the 'UHH" than on the 'b', and considered my way wrong. Sounds like
>> another case of the penalty for trying to do it right.
> 
> There are between 37 and 44 phonemes in English, depending on which
> dialects you speak (and how the phonemes are counted). A phoneme is a
> sound that contrasts with another to make a different word, eg
> bull/pull, bull/ball/bell/bale/etc. The main difference between dialects
> is the number of vowels. Eg, in "John went to marry merry Mary", I say
> three different vowels in those last three words, while an American will
> likely use the same vowel for all.

I say them all very similarly if not the same.

> There are indeed more sounds than phonemes, compare the /l/ in "hull"
> and "hill" for example. However those two versions of /l/ aren't used to
> distinguish words so they don't count as separate phonemes. For this
> reason, most English speakers don't hear the differences, although the
> numbers (audio-spectrograms) show there is one. In some languages those
> two /l/ sounds do make a difference.
> 
> It helps to speak two or more languages.

Since I am posting from a tech group, I will add it is also analogous to why
it is good to know at least the basics of more than one desktop OS. :)


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-22 18:30 +0100
  Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-22 10:48 -0700
    Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-22 19:03 +0100
      Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-22 11:15 -0700
        Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-22 13:21 -0700
          Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-22 15:25 -0700
            Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-23 08:12 -0700
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-23 12:10 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-23 11:53 -0700
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-04-23 09:20 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-23 11:56 -0700
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 10:09 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 13:12 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 10:19 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 13:22 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 10:45 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-04-23 13:07 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 11:11 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-04-23 13:20 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 12:07 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ron C <r.capik@verizon.net> - 2017-04-23 15:15 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 12:17 -0700
                Anything (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Carl J <this.is.not.email@dummy.invalid> - 2017-04-23 18:19 -0500
                Re: Anything (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-04-23 23:26 +0000
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-04-23 13:20 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:03 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:07 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:09 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:12 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-24 17:18 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 17:33 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-25 09:22 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-25 09:29 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-25 10:12 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-25 10:52 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-25 12:04 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-25 12:38 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-25 18:38 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-25 16:47 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-25 22:17 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-25 21:38 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-26 02:03 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-26 08:54 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-26 09:23 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-26 09:30 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-26 11:42 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-26 14:16 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-26 16:27 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-26 16:39 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-26 09:16 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-26 09:29 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-26 17:14 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-26 14:17 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-26 16:32 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-25 17:14 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-25 18:10 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-26 09:24 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-25 18:17 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Sam E <why.should.this@be.email.invalid> - 2017-04-25 18:24 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-25 22:51 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-25 18:32 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-25 16:53 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Sam E <why.should.this@be.email.invalid> - 2017-04-25 17:59 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-25 16:30 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ron C <r.capik@verizon.net> - 2017-04-25 23:00 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-25 22:26 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-26 09:28 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-26 12:35 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-26 11:45 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-26 17:23 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2017-04-26 17:15 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-25 22:46 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-25 19:54 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-24 08:03 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 14:29 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-24 14:02 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 12:04 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-23 12:00 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 12:17 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 15:19 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 12:24 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-23 13:31 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 14:31 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-23 14:55 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-23 18:24 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 16:36 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-23 13:28 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 14:40 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-23 15:47 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-23 13:35 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-23 18:28 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ron C <r.capik@verizon.net> - 2017-04-23 20:11 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-24 08:10 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 14:33 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-23 14:58 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 17:59 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 15:09 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-23 16:14 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 16:32 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-23 16:42 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 16:42 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-04-23 16:49 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-24 17:17 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 17:32 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:04 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:06 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:08 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:11 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-24 08:07 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 14:28 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-24 14:00 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 10:34 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 19:18 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 11:24 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-24 14:15 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 12:19 -0700
                Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-24 15:40 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 12:48 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-24 15:19 -0500
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 14:27 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-25 11:16 -0500
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-25 09:31 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-24 15:21 -0500
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 14:38 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-04-24 22:43 +0000
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-24 17:43 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 18:09 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-25 09:33 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-25 09:56 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-25 10:16 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-25 11:30 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Sam E <why.should.this@be.email.invalid> - 2017-04-25 11:23 -0500
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2017-04-24 14:57 -0500
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-24 17:50 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2017-04-25 00:17 -0500
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-25 07:59 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2017-04-25 11:34 -0500
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2017-04-25 09:51 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-25 09:48 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-04-25 09:54 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2017-04-25 13:31 -0500
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-25 12:26 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-25 13:18 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-25 15:25 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-25 15:33 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-25 15:53 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-25 16:18 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-25 17:18 -0700
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