Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Snit Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: "Unhackable" Apple Confirms Malware-Infected Apps Found And Removed From Its Chinese App Store Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 19:08:43 -0700 Lines: 144 Message-ID: References: <5612928c$0$49041$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com> <051020151258277615%nospam@nospam.invalid> <3ZSdnZTmLryQJ4_LnZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@supernews.com> <051020151617595944%nospam@nospam.invalid> <061020151150097105%nospam@nospam.invalid> <061020151337424315%nospam@nospam.invalid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net eF75/x6jyrHGoCNwdrRkDg5SHevM4X4f9lxI9O7bPFvg23kgvT Cancel-Lock: sha1:iMneU84gxFtwlbTBe9UQ83Uz5pU= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.36.0.130206 Thread-Topic: "Unhackable" Apple Confirms Malware-Infected Apps Found And Removed From Its Chinese App Store Thread-Index: AdEApRc+TNxZ7VrcQUa51ySfsMC8DA== Xref: csiph.com alt.comp.freeware:245295 comp.sys.mac.system:82159 comp.os.linux.advocacy:325218 On 10/6/15, 10:37 AM, in article 061020151337424315%nospam@nospam.invalid, "nospam" wrote: > In article , chrisv > wrote: > >>>>>> So on topic of target audiences, who is the target for Linux? What does >>>>>> the Linux user want? >>>>> >>>>> there is no target audience. that's why it's the way it is. it has no >>>>> focus. >>>> >>>> In other words, there is more choice, a clear advantage over the "one >>>> size fits all" compromise that Windows tries to be. >>> >>> other way around. >> >> So I'm just completely wrong, and my point above has zero merit, huh? > > sure looks like it. Glad he admitted it. >>> linux has *less* choice because of the sheer lack of quality software >> >> "Mac users have the choice to run Photoshop and such, and Linux users >> don't, therefore Mac users have more choice than Linux users." > > yep. simple concept. Even with software that runs on OS X and Linux, OS X often offers you more choice. Look at LibreOffice (a high end product on Linux but a low end one on OS X... they have very different standards of quality). On OS X you get these things you do NOT get on Linux: * A saved status indicator. At a glance know if your file is changed. * Right-click on name in title bar to get full path to the file. This is an "active" list: click on any part of the path to get there. * Proxy icon to allow for copies or aliases (links) from the open window, or to allow you to drag the file to email it or drag it to another program * Access to your media browser to help select an image directly from whatever category you want: moments, collections, years, places, or albums. * Terms and placement and hotkeys for quitting and preferences which are consistent with the system. * Help system where you can type the name of any menu command and easily find it, even if in a submenu. * Full screen system which ties into the system's full screen / workspace manager * Recent items from the launcher... and it works even if the file has been renamed or moved (though it does not show the correct name in that case, it does still open the file) * Print to PDF to any program you want... for example converting it to a PDF and sending it to a mail program or chat client or the like. * You can close all the windows and not have to have the start screen as a place holder. * It shows not just recent files but currently open files in the launcher. * If you copy from it then close the program you can still paste elsewhere. * In the system itself you can use QuickLook to view files (in the Finder, Mail, etc.). So what benefit is there to running LibreOffice on Linux over OS X? >> Really? Is that the definition of choice? The huge variety that >> Linux offers (both "ready to run" and the limitless possibilities that >> being open-source offers) count for nothing, in the "choice >> sweepstakes"? > > the source to photoshop is not available nor is the source to just > about every other commercial app, which means you can't run them in > linux. > > what is available is at best, a poor imitation, such as the gimp. the > gimp's own roadmap shows that they have no plans to offer major > features that photoshop had 20+ years ago. > > mac users can run everything a linux user can run *and* apps such as > photoshop, lightroom, etc. > > in other words, more choice, the most of any platform. > > and then there's driver support. hardware makers rarely offer linux > drivers, so there's less choice on hardware too. > > that's why linux is a bad choice for desktops. You have the choice of a million distros with a thousand DE's all tied to the very limited Linux ecosystem that offers little choice. On OS X you have one distro with (basically) one DE with a very robust ecosystem and lots of choice. >> Your attempt to limit the definition of choice, to the one area where >> your beloved Mac has the advantage, has been rejected. > > it's reality. chrisv rejects reality. >>> and lack of focus on the product. >> >> Your unwillingness to concede that the "lack of focus" brings "pros" >> (choice) as well as "cons" (increased support costs) shows you to be a >> unworthy person. > > everything has pros and cons. linux is no different. Agreed. > for a server, linux is a good choice (but not the only one). the lack > of photoshop does not matter to a server. > > for the desktop, linux is a horrible choice. For most, yup. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: * Mint KDE working with folders: * Mint KDE creating files: * Mint KDE help: * Mint KDE general navigation: * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: * OS / Word Processor Comparison: