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Subject: Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone?
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From: Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 12:07:23 -0400
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On 2015-10-11 11:54, nospam wrote:
> In article <RaCdnf6_OJvWH4fLnZ2dnUU7-VWdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>>> Wow, how early do you get up to spout nonsense just to try to score
>>>> points?.  In Boucher, yes the password was compelled on appeal by the
>>>> gov't; in lavabit, yes, passwords were compelled.  But, shit the truth
>>>> never seems to sink in with you.
>>>
>>> once again, in the usa, the 5th amendment prevents a court from
>>> compelling someone to disclose their password. period. end of story.
>>
>> In Boucher it _was_ compelled.  Period.
>
> because they knew he had committed a crime.

Was it ordered?  Y or N.

>
>>> that does not apply to someone who has *already* incriminated
>>> themselves or for a corporation, the issues in the two cases you
>>> mention.
>>
>> I mentioned them as things that happened.  Regardless of the fine points
>> about them.
>
> the fine points are critical. you can't ignore them.

You don't ignore them when you're taking the argument further.