Path: csiph.com!au2pb.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.bresnan.com!news.bresnan.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 15:31:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 14:31:15 -0600 From: GreyCloud User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS i86pc; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110518 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,alt.comp.freeware,alt.hacker,alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: "Unhackable" Apple Confirms Malware-Infected Apps Found And Removed From Its Chinese App Store References: <86549329f10d815d2e5922dee68cf94a@anemone.mooo.com> <210920151816339085%nospam@nospam.invalid> <210920151849448520%nospam@nospam.invalid> <041020151828504734%nospam@nospam.invalid> <5tmdnY_rbLLTfY7LnZ2dnUU7-U-dnZ2d@supernews.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <3YidnTqHGf2FHIjLnZ2dnUU7-RudnZ2d@bresnan.com> Lines: 78 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 184.167.49.124 X-Trace: sv3-lIysQ0iwMhP9NK11Hsb8O4eNMjR2zdOaSBYSZrd93u08Jff8D0TUBtnGzKR/PYuI2E/Lip166zKuajw!9U3PK0f4dJ+3deLEiMII4BtK238d2fZV0mZvNt2ePNSWyb2b4Fw2vtyWIQK2M7enA0BeFZNTsfsl!rqmvHu/tA2Hb6w== X-Complaints-To: abuse@bresnan.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@bresnan.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5074 X-Received-Bytes: 5186 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1809078380 Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.system:82368 alt.comp.freeware:245480 alt.hacker:8998 alt.privacy.anon-server:46165 comp.os.linux.advocacy:325414 On 10/06/15 12:44, Jolly Roger wrote: > Peter Köhlmann wrote: >> Jolly Roger wrote: >> >>> Peter Köhlmann wrote: >>>> Jolly Roger wrote: >>>> >>>>> nom de plume wrote: >>>>>> On 2015-10-06, Snit wrote: >>>>>>>> So far, I have only mentioned what those commands are for. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mostly for solving the dependencies issues you have on Linux. Oh, and >>>>>>> losing preferences when you upgrade or downgrade a program. Just what >>>>>>> every high skilled tech does! :) >>>>>> >>>>>> The command shows required dependencies. >>>>> >>>>> OS X manages app dependencies automatically. Your commands are therefore >>>>> useless. >>>> >>>> This is total bollocks >>> >>> Nope. >> >> Yes >> >>>> OSX does the worst way of handling libraries. It packs them with the >>>> program and other resources into "bundles" >>>> Meaning: You can have the same libraries of same and / or different >>>> version several times on your machine, in several different program >>>> bundles. It is the OSX way to windows DLL hell >>> >>> Wrong. Apparently you never bothered to learn that OS X developers make >>> frequent use of shared libraries and frameworks. >> >> I never said otherwise. But if you "install" a bundle, those libraries are >> *not* moved around on the system, they stay in the bundle. > > Not always nope. Your broad generalizations are incorrect. > >> Translation: The same libraries, of different versions, can be several times >> on the same machine. This is *not* a good idea. It was how windows got DLL >> hell > > Nope, it's nowhere near as much of a problem as you wish it was. > >>>> And all this idiocy because apple was too incompetent to provide a decent >>>> package management system, and the OSX users are too damn stupid to >>>> follow simple instructions to install the needed dependencies >>> >>> Dependencies are managed effectively and automatically. >> >> Wrong. They are not handled at all by bundles > > I didn't say anything about bundles. Keep reaching! > >>> Want to delete an >>> app? Drag it to the trash. Want to delete an app's preferences? Drag them >>> to the trash. It's that simple on OS X. >> >> Thats not even remotely "handling dependencies" > > A key part of managing dependencies is reducing them so they aren't a > problem from the start. > If he really is a software developer, his best bet is to subscribe to the Xcode developer mailing list. Ask your question there and as always someone will have a better idea on how to do it. But right now, with Xcode 7, there are still a few bugs that have been filed to apple. Nothings perfect these days and really haven't been perfect. -- When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the bottom, and have a longer blanket."