Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!kreme.dont-email.me!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lewis Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.portables,comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc Subject: Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 18:34:04 -0000 (UTC) Organization: Miskatonic U Lines: 59 Message-ID: References: <121120201421024996%nospam@nospam.invalid> <0VyrH.145047$Ml5.103301@fx24.iad> Reply-To: g.kreme@gmail.don-t-email-me.com Injection-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 18:34:04 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: kreme.dont-email.me; posting-host="3adbca80f172146e5ddf22ea3072edc8"; logging-data="11887"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/YuANdE9vlL/xT2M/luKUm" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:O+ZRUwd4E/tITOIx3Ml1MpfTxXA= X-Face: )^b5"R:T7U>9~:PEn3YkzMfW*[b1qKeU.fP9C8~8HpU9}lA&6`bH1z X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Mail-Copies-To: nobody Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.mac.system:134904 comp.sys.mac.portables:1404 comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc:2174 In message Alan Browne wrote: > On 2020-11-14 11:51, Lewis wrote: >> In message Alan Browne wrote: >>> On 2020-11-13 19:54, Lewis wrote: >>>> In message Alan Browne wrote: >>>>> On 2020-11-13 15:20, Lewis wrote: >>>>>> In message <0VyrH.145047$Ml5.103301@fx24.iad> Alan Browne wrote: >>>>>>> On 2020-11-12 14:21, nospam wrote: >>>>>>>> In article , JF Mezei >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Asll we know is "unified memory" which is meaningless marketing mumble >>>>>>>>> jumble. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> nonsense. >>>>>> >>>>>>> It is marketing speak to a degree. Per a Wikipedia article[1] the SOC >>>>>>> uses 3733 MHz LPDDR4X spec'd SDRAM as an included component within the >>>>>>> SOC. Still needs a memory manager though that may be more deeply >>>>>>> integrated in the CPU; likely has DMA of some kind, esp. for the GPU, >>>>>>> but other I/O as well. >>>>>> >>>>>>> [1] that source has no reference so I declare escape clause. But it's a >>>>>>> good bet if someone has seen that in System Info declared as such on the >>>>>>> many, many developer systems out there. >>>>>> >>>>>> What many many developer systems out there? >>>> >>>>> Thousands... >>>> >>>> Nonsense. [1] <------ >> >>> Really. Even my lowly Pascal compiler developer got one and very >>> quickly. It was underwhelming in the sense that the new compiler was >>> tested and ready in mere days. >> >> Again, the DTK Is NOT the M1 mac. At all. > Yeah, resolved in prior posts. > I wasn't being specific to the processor - only that Apple put out > thousands of transition developer kits. You were talking out the unified memory in the M1 chip and comparing it to the DTK. >>> Simplest path: spec an existing type that is in the fabs capability and >>> meets the spec. >> >> Are you channeling JF? > Not at all. Seems like it. The M1 is not an "existing type" it is a new chip designed by Apple and made to their design. it is not being assembled out of other bits. -- Women like silent men, they think they're listening.