Re: MacDraw for MacOS 10.10

From	Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.graphics
Subject	Re: MacDraw for MacOS 10.10
Date	2021-09-28 08:53 +0200
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On 27 Sep 2021 18:40:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2021-09-21, Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>> I want to draw a square.
>>
>> I want to draw a circle, crossing the sqare.
>>
>> I want to draw some lines, cutting the circle.
>>
>> I want to cut the circle into pieces where I have crossings. I want to
>> move or delete those pieces.
>>
>> I want to fill areas with colors or patterns.
>>
>> I want to adjust line width and colors
>>
>> I want to save this as jpg, gif, png or pdf
>>
>> I want to paste images from png files.
>
> Again, any illustration app can do all of this. It's just a matter of
> learning how to use the app in question.

You might be surprised how much from an "obvious" solution some
applications do handle those tasks. 

Personally, I was surprised by one app which offered to draw squares,
which ended up in four separate lines. Ok, you could group thos four
lines to a single object. But you could not handle this object like you
could handle a real square.

>> If I'd want to convert data to graphics automatically, I'd propably
>> use something like gnuplot.
>
> I'd just use the graph capability of a spreadsheet for that, as it's the
> fastest and simplest way to do it.

Only if you like how the spreadsheet will do this on its own.

Best behavior is to create a chart with a spreadsheet, do a copy/paste
to a graphical program and edit it over there.

>> But the data I got is e.g. a pie chart with 18%, 20%, 45 %. I'd
>> convert this to degrees, draw a line, duplicate and rotate that line
>> by the proper degree, from the center of a circle. Then I'd cut the
>> circle to pizza segments. 
>
> That sounds like a lot of work just to create a pie chart. 

What I actually want to do is beyond the scope of a pie chart. But the
pie chart is a suitable example of what I want to achieve - especially
the part of cutting a circle into pieces at an intersection with an
object with straight lines.

>> I'll group and push a certain pizza segment I need outwards. I'd
>> duplicate the pizza segment downwards, Add two lines and make it to a
>> 3d pie segment. Then I'd add some text where it does look best.
>>
>> Those are really simple gui operations which are done within a few
>> minuts, when you have a proper tool. It's really nothing fancy - put
>> cut and split is not that easy in the tools I've checked by now.
>
> Designer can do all o this quite effortlessly as well.

How about a contest. I'll draw a sample image with sketchup to show you
what I want to get done. The others show how they would have done it and
how complicated it was - or how far they come, until the job is not
supported by the tool any more.

I'll use sketchup since it is a free tool which is very easy to use,
although it is a 3D tool and does not handle circles very well. It does
not support to define a line width, so I will have to create the width
with inner and outer lines and fill it.

Who would join this comparison, with which tool?

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            Re: MacDraw for MacOS 10.10 Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2021-09-19 13:09 +0200
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                Re: MacDraw for MacOS 10.10 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-09-21 13:54 +0000
                Re: MacDraw for MacOS 10.10 Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2021-09-21 18:35 +0200
                Re: MacDraw for MacOS 10.10 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-09-21 22:05 +0000
                Re: MacDraw for MacOS 10.10 Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2021-09-22 07:15 +0200
                Re: MacDraw for MacOS 10.10 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-09-22 12:10 +0000
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                Re: MacDraw for MacOS 10.10 Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2021-09-26 15:11 +0200
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                Re: MacDraw for MacOS 10.10 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-09-27 18:40 +0000
                Re: MacDraw for MacOS 10.10 Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2021-09-28 08:53 +0200
                Re: MacDraw for MacOS 10.10 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2021-09-28 14:56 +0000

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