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On 14/12/2021 19:27, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 11:37:03 +0000, JAB <noway@co.uk> wrote:
>> On 13/12/2021 17:17, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 10:59:54 +0000, JAB <noway@co.uk> wrote:
> 
>>>> I've never played any of the Doom games but it wish it a happy birthday
>>>> anyway.
> 
>>> Never? Really? Wow.
>>> Even if I wasn't interested in the FPS genre (which would be
>>> incredibly limiting, given how every other game seems to be an FPS
>>> these days), I'd still have given a Doom a try just because of its
>>> historical relevance.
> 
>> The first FPS I ever played was Half Life and that sort of set what I
>> want from an FPS so when I tried Quake II later it just felt shallow.
> 
> I can see that. I can't argue the fact either; "Doom" (or the "Quake"
> games, for that matter) is a much less sophisticated game than Half
> Life. After Valve's seminal release, pretty much every FPS pivoted
> away from being "Doom-clones" to being "Half Life" clones, with much
> greater emphasis on story and atmosphere. It's only been over the last
> few years that we've seen a resurgence of "retro FPS" games and -
> aside from a few rare exceptions like "Devil Daggers" - even they
> still share as much similarity with "Half Life's" design as they do
> with "Doom".
> 
> Personally, I'm much more fond of Valve's model than Id's, but I can
> still appreciate the simple and fast-paced action of "Doom", much as
> I'm quite happy to play a map or three of Pac-Man every now and again.
> I think you do yourself a disservice if you don't at least give it a
> try.
> 

Probably as I'm and old school arcade gamer I prefer my shooters to be 
what I think as an arcade game and not a PC game. So something like 
Shadowgrounds is what I like.

>> Playing HL was also rather strange as I'd seen Doom played and that was
>> kinda my expectation for what an FPS is. Next thing I know I'm on a
>> train going through a complex. Another ten mins gone and I still haven't
>> got a gun nor do I have a clue what's going on.
> 
> "Half Life's" introductory levels were revelatory at the time and -
> initially - quite controversial. A LOT of gamers and critics despised
> its very slow-paced opening. I first played it several months after
> its release, and by that time I was well aware that the game had this
> long, non-violent section at the start, so I went into it unsurprised
> and quickly understood that it was being used for world-building and
> to create tension for the inevitable explosion. But for those who
> jumped into the game blind - especially if they came from a background
> of Doom-clones - I can understand why those first levels must have
> been so frustrating.
> 
> 
> (In my head, I see those gamers as that kid from the Simpsons pointing
> and crying "Stop, stop, he's already dead"... except saying "Start,
> start! Why isn't anybody dead?" My head is weird.)
> 

I went in almost completely blind as the HL demo came with, I think a 
Voodoo Banshee. I put the start of it in my list of most memorable 
gaming experiences. When you get to the climax of the experiment it 
really was a WTF moment. Good marketing though as I went out and bought 
the game.

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