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Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation

From	urbancamo <mark@wickensonline.co.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.dec, comp.os.vms
Subject	Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation
Date	2011-04-20 00:54 -0700
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On Apr 19, 10:27 pm, ChrisQ <m...@devnull.com> wrote:
> urbancamo wrote:
>
> > Microsoft Word is quite possibly the worst piece of software I've ever
> > used (and I've used a good few versions now!) - bugs introduced early
> > on have to be treated as features to maintain compatibility over
> > sanity.
>
> > Mark.
>
> Like much modern packaged software, word probably satisfies and
> frustrates users to an equal degree, Providing you don't want to do
> anything too clever, it gets the job done, but suffers from excess
> featuritis, when all you want to do is write a letter. I use an older
> pre uSoft version of Visio and other packages for drawing and they too
> get the job done without too much drama. We might all bemoan the quality
> of old, but the world has moved on and present day graphics intensive
> applications would be unusable on older dec hardware. Sad fact, but true.

The problem with Word is that fundamental stuff that was broken in
early versions is still broken.
Put it this way, I recently tried to create a letter template with a
special header and footer on the first page. Doesn't sound too
complicated, does it?
You can't do it in Word. Bugs prevent it, and if you search the web
you find Microsoft employees who are equally frustrated that they
can't fix the bugs either, because it must remain backwards compatible
(probably for software that hooks into the word engine and creates
documents automatically). Of course this smacks of bad design. I had
to literally jump through hoops to get *anything* to look right, after
having to think creatively about what other features I might be able
to bring to bear.

Please note, I'm not a Microsoft hater - Publisher for example is a
good tool that does what you expect it to. What saddens me the most is
that people who use it don't know any better and accept such poor
quality software as the norm.

Mark

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Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation urbancamo <mark@wickensonline.co.uk> - 2011-04-19 01:26 -0700
  Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation ChrisQ <meru@devnull.com> - 2011-04-19 12:58 +0100
    Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2011-04-19 14:00 +0200
    Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation "John Reagan" <johnrreagan@earthlink.net> - 2011-04-19 08:42 -0400
      Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation ChrisQ <meru@devnull.com> - 2011-04-19 16:55 +0100
        Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2011-04-19 16:07 +0000
          Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation urbancamo <mark@wickensonline.co.uk> - 2011-04-19 12:54 -0700
            Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation ChrisQ <meru@devnull.com> - 2011-04-19 22:27 +0100
              Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation John Wallace <johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-19 15:29 -0700
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-20 08:14 +0200
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation ChrisQ <meru@devnull.com> - 2011-04-22 12:11 +0100
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-22 15:09 +0200
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation John Wallace <johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-23 03:32 -0700
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-25 11:07 +0200
              Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at> - 2011-04-19 23:55 +0000
              Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-20 06:38 +0200
              Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation urbancamo <mark@wickensonline.co.uk> - 2011-04-20 00:54 -0700
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation seasoned_geek <roland@logikalsolutions.com> - 2011-04-21 11:08 -0700
      Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Marc Van Dyck <marc.gr.vandyck@invalid.skynet.be> - 2011-04-23 22:03 +0200
        Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-24 07:24 +0200
          Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> - 2011-04-24 09:20 -0400
            Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-04-24 09:49 -0700
              Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2011-04-25 02:30 +0000
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-04-25 02:40 +0000
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-04-24 23:07 -0700
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-04-25 08:15 -0500
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-04-25 10:58 -0700
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-04-25 15:25 -0500
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2011-04-25 20:54 +0000
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2011-04-25 21:25 +0000
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-04-26 04:59 +0000
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2011-04-26 10:11 -0400
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2011-04-28 00:15 +0000
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2011-04-25 16:01 +0000
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-04-25 11:03 -0700
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2011-04-25 21:29 +0000
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-04-25 23:40 -0700
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2011-04-28 00:34 +0000
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-04-27 20:42 -0700
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation MetaEd <metaed@gmail.com> - 2011-04-26 08:19 -0700
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2011-04-26 09:46 -0700
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation MetaEd <metaed@gmail.com> - 2011-04-27 12:19 -0700
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2011-04-28 00:24 +0000
                Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> - 2011-04-25 08:02 -0400
              Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-25 10:53 +0200
          Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2011-04-25 08:14 -0500
            Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-25 23:13 +0200
  Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---undress to reply) - 2011-04-19 20:21 +0000
    Re: Software used for diagrams in DEC documentation   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2011-04-19 21:15 +0000

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